From lorenvevon at comcast.net Mon Dec 1 08:52:56 2008 From: lorenvevon at comcast.net (Loren Vevon) Date: Mon Dec 1 08:52:53 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Floor Mats for 3.0CS Message-ID: Hey guys. Who is making floor mats for our cars? Loren Vevon (843) 532-9666 Direct (843) 746-4911 Fax e-mail: lorenvevon@comcast.net www.Lorenvevon.com Carolina One Real Estate From cgshawaii at netscape.net Wed Dec 3 19:06:37 2008 From: cgshawaii at netscape.net (cgshawaii@netscape.net) Date: Wed Dec 3 19:06:29 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Floor Mats for 3.0CS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CB23BB4F7B37EA-14C4-79A@WEBMAIL-DY18.sysops.aol.com> Loren:? Any, repeat any, upholstery shop will do carpets for your car, and probably a good many carpet shops too. Call around for edging.? Some years ago is was about a dollar per foot.? Then go to your local carpet store and get whatever color and style will shift your gears, cut it using a sharp utility knife, then take it to the shop for edging in a nicely contrasting color.? Hint:? remember that when you cut the carpet, you'll be cutting from the back, so make sure your pattern piece is correctly oriented.? DAMHIK. Last, there are computer-driven embroidery shops in major shopping centers (and elsewhere) that will stitch your initials, logo, emblem or whatever in your selected color(s) for not too much.? Normally they do hats.? Give them something different to work on.? Often it will be done while-you-wait, or you can drop it off and get it later so they can do it when not majorly busy. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Loren Vevon lorenvevon@comcast.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Floor Mats for 3.0CS Hey guys. Who is making floor mats for our cars? Loren Vevon -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081203/3c92dd66/attachment.html From the-hound at juno.com Wed Dec 3 20:55:03 2008 From: the-hound at juno.com (the-hound@juno.com) Date: Wed Dec 3 20:56:11 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Floor Mats for 3.0CS Message-ID: <20081203.205503.24420.1@webmail02.vgs.untd.com> Thanks..... Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year ALL... The Hound (Please do not come to the Last Colony on 1/20/09, we are only 10 miles wide and Beltway Jammed NOW) -- cgshawaii@netscape.net wrote: Loren: Any, repeat any, upholstery shop will do carpets for your car, and probably a good many carpet shops too. Call around for edging. Some years ago is was about a dollar per foot. Then go to your local carpet store and get whatever color and style will shift your gears, cut it using a sharp utility knife, then take it to the shop for edging in a nicely contrasting color. Hint: remember that when you cut the carpet, you'll be cutting from the back, so make sure your pattern piece is correctly oriented. DAMHIK. Last, there are computer-driven embroidery shops in major shopping centers (and elsewhere) that will stitch your initials, logo, emblem or whatever in your selected color(s) for not too much. Normally they do hats. Give them something different to work on. Often it will be done while-you-wait, or you can drop it off and get it later so they can do it when not majorly busy. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: Loren Vevon lorenvevon@comcast.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Floor Mats for 3.0CS Hey guys. Who is making floor mats for our cars?Loren Vevon Trim your tree and your spending! Get the AOL Holiday Shopping Toolbar for money saving offers and gift ideas. _____________________________________________________________________ A New Way to Get Free & Discounted Offers -- FreeInternet.com! 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URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081204/f0513e23/attachment.html From CPeavey at HPTI.com Thu Dec 4 14:15:55 2008 From: CPeavey at HPTI.com (Peavey, Charlie) Date: Thu Dec 4 14:14:49 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] 1972 BMW CS In-Reply-To: <01782B9B4170CF41AB49AA62D7BBEA09BB3306@bigdipper.MilkyWay.local> References: <01782B9B4170CF41AB49AA62D7BBEA09BB3306@bigdipper.MilkyWay.local> Message-ID: <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B60049610AD@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> Contact Mesa Performance. They have an adapter kit that allows you to use an in-production part from another model. It's on their website. Charlie ________________________________ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Jim Muir Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:34 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] 1972 BMW CS What do you do for clutch master cylinders these days? Thanks. Jim -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081204/0d06ea6e/attachment.html From denalenard at yahoo.com Fri Dec 5 12:19:32 2008 From: denalenard at yahoo.com (Dena Lenard) Date: Fri Dec 5 12:19:09 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? Message-ID: <554757.2232.qm@web110414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And the choke is always engaged. Any ideas? Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone From the-hound at juno.com Fri Dec 5 16:05:50 2008 From: the-hound at juno.com (the-hound@juno.com) Date: Fri Dec 5 16:08:01 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? Message-ID: <20081205.160550.8231.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Oooommmm? Is the starter/engine turning and not firing? Or is the starter/engine not turning or just turning sometimes and then start? The-Hound......Happy Holiday ALL. -- Dena Lenard wrote: Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And the choke is always engaged. Any ideas? Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eRIdNdoEacNnK47UGM5VzaNPyak63NfI2T8jyPjiuY1ur1/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081205/a495fedb/attachment.html From CPeavey at HPTI.com Fri Dec 5 19:37:00 2008 From: CPeavey at HPTI.com (Peavey, Charlie) Date: Fri Dec 5 19:35:47 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? In-Reply-To: <20081205.160550.8231.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081205.160550.8231.0@webmail11.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B60049612BB@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> If the engine is cranking and just not catching, I would first check for a good spark, either by using a cheap spark tester, or by holding a spark plug wire close to the valve cover while someone else turns the key to crank the engine - you might need to involve a screw driver if you have the brown bakelite insulators on your spark plug leads. Charlie ________________________________ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of the-hound@juno.com Sent: Friday, December 05, 2008 4:06 PM To: denalenard@yahoo.com Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? Oooommmm? Is the starter/engine turning and not firing? Or is the starter/engine not turning or just turning sometimes and then start? The-Hound......Happy Holiday ALL. -- Dena Lenard wrote: Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And the choke is always engaged. Any ideas? Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry ____________________________________________________________ Click here to find experienced pros to help with your home improvement project. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081205/c7677d3a/attachment.html From wbraveheartw at comcast.net Fri Dec 5 23:53:22 2008 From: wbraveheartw at comcast.net (bill wallace) Date: Fri Dec 5 23:53:03 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? In-Reply-To: <554757.2232.qm@web110414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> References: <554757.2232.qm@web110414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0b7d673e8ed3be3bd682fb96f929439a@comcast.net> Have you checked the choke butterflys to make sure they are fully closed? You don't mention how often you attempt to start your car...when my '74 sits for a week or more I have to add gas to the carbs to compensate for evaporation, otherwise I have to crank the engine for an ungodly amount of time to get gas back into the carbs... Bill On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dena Lenard wrote: > Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme > or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near > empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes > it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And the > choke is always engaged. Any ideas? > > Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > From the-hound at juno.com Sat Dec 6 09:53:55 2008 From: the-hound at juno.com (the-hound@juno.com) Date: Sat Dec 6 09:55:02 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? Message-ID: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Dena/Bill........are you two living in my garage and talking about my car? This happen so many times now, now I have a battery tender that is constantly on so that if I forget to start the car and run the battery down, it will charge back up and then try starting it again 2-3 hours later without a problem. I think the '74 have a problem with the gas draining back into the gas tank. Now I turn on ignition for about 3-5 minutes and let the 5 lb electric fuel pump pressure up the fuel lines with gas. Then I pump the gas pedal 3-4 times to set the choke/floats and most of times it starts. To prevent this problem now, I try to start the car at least one a month. My wife get's a little pissed off sometime at the exhaust smell in the house. One day I am going to remember to get a long hose for the exhaust and drive the car in the garage in the winter vs backing in. The question is if this is unique problems for the '74 only? Season Greeting all. PS: Start 'em-up and driving 'em before winter set in!!!!!!!!!!! -- bill wallace wrote: Have you checked the choke butterflys to make sure they are fully closed? You don't mention how often you attempt to start your car...when my '74 sits for a week or more I have to add gas to the carbs to compensate for evaporation, otherwise I have to crank the engine for an ungodly amount of time to get gas back into the carbs... Bill On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dena Lenard wrote: > Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme > or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near > empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes > it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And the > choke is always engaged. Any ideas? > > Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2gGUjD64oNncFJvFX0NppQXpkMLAhjBxQPy84hoj8BklI1B/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081206/8e5b0910/attachment.html From denalenard at yahoo.com Sat Dec 6 10:49:41 2008 From: denalenard at yahoo.com (dena lenard) Date: Sat Dec 6 10:49:16 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? References: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <609350.89674.qm@web110414.mail.gq1.yahoo.com> mine's a '72 ________________________________ From: "the-hound@juno.com" To: wbraveheartw@comcast.net Cc: denalenard@yahoo.com; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Saturday, December 6, 2008 9:53:55 AM Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? Dena/Bill........are you two living in my garage and talking about my car? This happen so many times now, now I have a battery tender that is constantly on so that if I forget to start the car and run the battery down, it will charge back up and then try starting it again 2-3 hours later without a problem. I think the '74 have a problem with the gas draining back into the gas tank. Now I turn on ignition for about 3-5 minutes and let the 5 lb electric fuel pump pressure up the fuel lines with gas. Then I pump the gas pedal 3-4 times to set the choke/floats and most of times it starts. To prevent this problem now, I try to start the car at least one a month. My wife get's a little pissed off sometime at the exhaust smell in the house. One day I am going to remember to get a long hose for the exhaust and drive the car in the garage in the winter vs backing in. The question is if this is unique problems for the '74 only? Season Greeting all. PS: Start 'em-up and driving 'em before winter set in!!!!!!!!!!! -- bill wallace wrote: Have you checked the choke butterflys to make sure they are fully closed? You don't mention how often you attempt to start your car...when my '74 sits for a week or more I have to add gas to the carbs to compensate for evaporation, otherwise I have to crank the engine for an ungodly amount of time to get gas back into the carbs... Bill On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dena Lenard wrote: > Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme > or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near > empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes > it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And the > choke is always engaged. Any ideas? > > Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081206/4e895ec6/attachment-0001.html From lensoccolich at mac.com Sat Dec 6 11:08:52 2008 From: lensoccolich at mac.com (Len Soccolich) Date: Sat Dec 6 11:08:27 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? In-Reply-To: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <6148F8E4-0E29-43C4-A922-39424611D980@mac.com> I must be living in your garage as well, because I tried to start my '74 this morning and got a lot of protesting but no starting! Seems like it wants to start, but its just on the verge of turning over. The butterflies seem to be working properly. I haven't tried adding gas to the carbs yet... On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:53 AM, the-hound@juno.com wrote: > Dena/Bill........are you two living in my garage and talking about > my car? > > This happen so many times now, now I have a battery tender that is > constantly on so that if I forget to start the car and run the > battery down, it will charge back up and then try starting it again > 2-3 hours later without a problem. I think the '74 have a problem > with the gas draining back into the gas tank. Now I turn on > ignition for about 3-5 minutes and let the 5 lb electric fuel pump > pressure up the fuel lines with gas. Then I pump the gas pedal 3-4 > times to set the choke/floats and most of times it starts. > > To prevent this problem now, I try to start the car at least one a > month. My wife get's a little pissed off sometime at the exhaust > smell in the house. One day I am going to remember to get a long > hose for the exhaust and drive the car in the garage in the winter > vs backing in. > > The question is if this is unique problems for the '74 only? > > Season Greeting all. > > PS: Start 'em-up and driving 'em before winter set in!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > -- bill wallace wrote: > Have you checked the choke butterflys to make sure they are fully > closed? You don't mention how often you attempt to start your > car...when my '74 sits for a week or more I have to add gas to the > carbs to compensate for evaporation, otherwise I have to crank the > engine for an ungodly amount of time to get gas back into the carbs... > Bill > On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dena Lenard wrote: > > > Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any > rhyme > > or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near > > empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. > Sometimes > > it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And > the > > choke is always engaged. Any ideas? > > > > Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone > > _______________________________________________ > > Please edit the length of replies > > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > > > > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081206/b78efaac/attachment.html From bmwbits at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 6 16:37:52 2008 From: bmwbits at bellsouth.net (Bill Proud) Date: Sat Dec 6 16:37:28 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Sink with your carbs Message-ID: If your carbs need synching , you need this and two Philly Cheese containers with the bottoms cut out as adapters .. http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pts/947188764.html Not mine (got one ) etc ...... Beepee From lcabel at bellsouth.net Sat Dec 6 17:43:56 2008 From: lcabel at bellsouth.net (Larry Abel) Date: Sat Dec 6 17:43:24 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Your wheel awaits References: Message-ID: <004601c957f4$202f3050$6001a8c0@kathyd8d832d30> I thought the $150 I paid for one exactly like that was premium but did not want to miss the opportunity... and it had a BMW horn button. But if someone does get it - the horn button from an E28 wheel snaps over the the Nardi center ring that hides the bolts and looks great! ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Proud To: Senior Digest ; E9coupes BMW Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 3:17 PM Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Your wheel awaits Anyone need a NARDI wood wheel ? CAUTION...Verify which splines it has on that adaptor -you may need a new one !! http://atlanta.craigslist.org/pts/947351758.html Beepee....not mine , no affiliation, your beer may be flat etc ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081206/bfff1d64/attachment.html From rogbeck at bellsouth.net Sun Dec 7 09:32:36 2008 From: rogbeck at bellsouth.net (Roger Beckham) Date: Sun Dec 7 09:32:30 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? References: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <6148F8E4-0E29-43C4-A922-39424611D980@mac.com> Message-ID: <002101c95878$a6ffc6b0$6101a8c0@roger> Back when I had my '73 CSA, I had to pour a little gas into one carb to "get it going", if I did not start it monthly or more often. Once it fired on that small shot of gas, it was good to go until the next period of idleness. Roger B Golf 3.0 CSL 2275030 ----- Original Message ----- From: Len Soccolich To: the-hound@juno.com Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net ; denalenard@yahoo.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:08 AM Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? I must be living in your garage as well, because I tried to start my '74 this morning and got a lot of protesting but no starting! Seems like it wants to start, but its just on the verge of turning over. The butterflies seem to be working properly. I haven't tried adding gas to the carbs yet... On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:53 AM, the-hound@juno.com wrote: Dena/Bill........are you two living in my garage and talking about my car? This happen so many times now, now I have a battery tender that is constantly on so that if I forget to start the car and run the battery down, it will charge back up and then try starting it again 2-3 hours later without a problem. I think the '74 have a problem with the gas draining back into the gas tank. Now I turn on ignition for about 3-5 minutes and let the 5 lb electric fuel pump pressure up the fuel lines with gas. Then I pump the gas pedal 3-4 times to set the choke/floats and most of times it starts. To prevent this problem now, I try to start the car at least one a month. My wife get's a little pissed off sometime at the exhaust smell in the house. One day I am going to remember to get a long hose for the exhaust and drive the car in the garage in the winter vs backing in. The question is if this is unique problems for the '74 only? Season Greeting all. PS: Start 'em-up and driving 'em before winter set in!!!!!!!!!!! -- bill wallace wrote: Have you checked the choke butterflys to make sure they are fully closed? You don't mention how often you attempt to start your car...when my '74 sits for a week or more I have to add gas to the carbs to compensate for evaporation, otherwise I have to crank the engine for an ungodly amount of time to get gas back into the carbs... Bill On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dena Lenard wrote: > Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme > or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near > empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes > it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And the > choke is always engaged. Any ideas? > > Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. 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Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081207/3cf2c9fd/attachment.html From lensoccolich at mac.com Sun Dec 7 11:26:08 2008 From: lensoccolich at mac.com (Len Soccolich) Date: Sun Dec 7 11:25:39 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? In-Reply-To: <002101c95878$a6ffc6b0$6101a8c0@roger> References: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <6148F8E4-0E29-43C4-A922-39424611D980@mac.com> <002101c95878$a6ffc6b0$6101a8c0@roger> Message-ID: Well, one three second shot of Quick Start into each carb and she started right up this morning, even without any pumping... On Dec 7, 2008, at 9:32 AM, Roger Beckham wrote: > Back when I had my '73 CSA, I had to pour a little gas into one carb > to "get it going", if I did not start it monthly or more often. > Once it fired on that small shot of gas, it was good to go until the > next period of idleness. > > Roger B > Golf 3.0 CSL 2275030 > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Len Soccolich > To: the-hound@juno.com > Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net ; denalenard@yahoo.com > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 11:08 AM > Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? > > I must be living in your garage as well, because I tried to start my > '74 this morning and got a lot of protesting but no starting! Seems > like it wants to start, but its just on the verge of turning over. > The butterflies seem to be working properly. I haven't tried adding > gas to the carbs yet... > > On Dec 6, 2008, at 9:53 AM, the-hound@juno.com wrote: > >> Dena/Bill........are you two living in my garage and talking about >> my car? >> >> This happen so many times now, now I have a battery tender that is >> constantly on so that if I forget to start the car and run the >> battery down, it will charge back up and then try starting it again >> 2-3 hours later without a problem. I think the '74 have a problem >> with the gas draining back into the gas tank. Now I turn on >> ignition for about 3-5 minutes and let the 5 lb electric fuel pump >> pressure up the fuel lines with gas. Then I pump the gas pedal 3-4 >> times to set the choke/floats and most of times it starts. >> >> To prevent this problem now, I try to start the car at least one a >> month. My wife get's a little pissed off sometime at the exhaust >> smell in the house. One day I am going to remember to get a long >> hose for the exhaust and drive the car in the garage in the winter >> vs backing in. >> >> The question is if this is unique problems for the '74 only? >> >> Season Greeting all. >> >> PS: Start 'em-up and driving 'em before winter set in!!!!!!!!!!! >> >> >> >> >> >> -- bill wallace wrote: >> Have you checked the choke butterflys to make sure they are fully >> closed? You don't mention how often you attempt to start your >> car...when my '74 sits for a week or more I have to add gas to the >> carbs to compensate for evaporation, otherwise I have to crank the >> engine for an ungodly amount of time to get gas back into the >> carbs... >> Bill >> On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dena Lenard wrote: >> >> > Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any >> rhyme >> > or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near >> > empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. >> Sometimes >> > it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. >> And the >> > choke is always engaged. Any ideas? >> > >> > Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Please edit the length of replies >> > BMWCSRegistry mailing list >> > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net >> > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Please edit the length of replies >> BMWCSRegistry mailing list >> BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net >> http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry >> >> >> >> ____________________________________________________________ >> Take a break - you deserve it. 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URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081207/5cca19b3/attachment-0001.html From CPeavey at HPTI.com Sun Dec 7 15:32:17 2008 From: CPeavey at HPTI.com (Peavey, Charlie) Date: Sun Dec 7 15:30:54 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? In-Reply-To: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B60049612D6@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> I have a '74 also, with Webers. If my car sits for a couple of weeks or more without being started, the carbs dry out and probably the fuel lines also. I have found it best to first set the chokes by slowly depressing the gas pedal and letting it back up. This doesn't introduce any gas into the airstream because the carbs are empty. Then I take my foot off the pedal and crank the engine for 15 seconds or so and stop (to let the starter cool off), and then I usually have to repeat, in order to first prime the mechanical fuel pump and then finally get gas back into the carbs. Then the engine catches. I don't touch the gas pedal again or I run the risk of flooding it with the accelerator pumps or losing the choke set. Recently, I bought a new ignition wire harness, plugs, cap and rotor, and a Bosch red coil. I've had a Pertronix installed for a couple of years. The wires and coil seem to have made a tremendous difference to starting and running when cold. Even in cold weather, it has been starting like a champ as long as it's been driven in the past couple of days and has fuel in the carbs. I don't know where all the gas goes. If it's evaporating, then that's a lot of excess pollution, and might explain the excessive smell in my garage. Charlie ________________________________ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of the-hound@juno.com Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:54 AM To: wbraveheartw@comcast.net Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net; denalenard@yahoo.com Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? Dena/Bill........are you two living in my garage and talking about my car? This happen so many times now, now I have a battery tender that is constantly on so that if I forget to start the car and run the battery down, it will charge back up and then try starting it again 2-3 hours later without a problem. I think the '74 have a problem with the gas draining back into the gas tank. Now I turn on ignition for about 3-5 minutes and let the 5 lb electric fuel pump pressure up the fuel lines with gas. Then I pump the gas pedal 3-4 times to set the choke/floats and most of times it starts. To prevent this problem now, I try to start the car at least one a month. My wife get's a little pissed off sometime at the exhaust smell in the house. One day I am going to remember to get a long hose for the exhaust and drive the car in the garage in the winter vs backing in. The question is if this is unique problems for the '74 only? Season Greeting all. PS: Start 'em-up and driving 'em before winter set in!!!!!!!!!!! -- bill wallace wrote: Have you checked the choke butterflys to make sure they are fully closed? You don't mention how often you attempt to start your car...when my '74 sits for a week or more I have to add gas to the carbs to compensate for evaporation, otherwise I have to crank the engine for an ungodly amount of time to get gas back into the carbs... Bill On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dena Lenard wrote: > Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme > or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near > empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes > it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And the > choke is always engaged. Any ideas? > > Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry ____________________________________________________________ Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081207/f66e04f7/attachment.html From tm at fuse.net Sun Dec 7 17:29:57 2008 From: tm at fuse.net (Tom) Date: Sun Dec 7 17:24:30 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? In-Reply-To: <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B60049612D6@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> References: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B60049612D6@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> Message-ID: <493C4E65.1090003@fuse.net> OK guys. Next time you get ready to start the car after an extended rest, try this experiment. First, disconnect the fuel pump output hose (the one that goes to the carbs) and see if fuel is present. If not, connect a short piece of hose that empties into a clean plastic soft drink bottle. Also disconnect one of the low voltage connections to the coil so you don't get any spark. Crank the engine and see how long it takes to get fuel in the bottle. If there is a significant delay, don't condemn the fuel pump. I have seen the hose that connects the fuel pump input to the hard line at the firewall go porous. Even more diabolical is the short piece of hose that connects the oher end of the hard line to the fuel tank pickup/sender. The floor of the trunk over the fuel tank has to be taken up to gain access.to this area. If you have access to a fuel pressure/vacuum test gauge, some hose and a tee, and a hand vacuum pump you can diagnose this even more quickly. Peavey, Charlie wrote: > I have a '74 also, with Webers. If my car sits for a couple of weeks > or more without being started, the carbs dry out and probably the fuel > lines also. I have found it best to first set the chokes by slowly > depressing the gas pedal and letting it back up. This doesn't > introduce any gas into the airstream because the carbs are empty. > Then I take my foot off the pedal and crank the engine for 15 seconds > or so and stop (to let the starter cool off), and then I usually have > to repeat, in order to first prime the mechanical fuel pump and then > finally get gas back into the carbs. Then the engine catches. I > don't touch the gas pedal again or I run the risk of flooding it with > the accelerator pumps or losing the choke set. > > Recently, I bought a new ignition wire harness, plugs, cap and rotor, > and a Bosch red coil. I've had a Pertronix installed for a couple of > years. The wires and coil seem to have made a tremendous difference > to starting and running when cold. Even in cold weather, it has > been starting like a champ as long as it's been driven in the past > couple of days and has fuel in the carbs. > > I don't know where all the gas goes. If it's evaporating, then that's > a lot of excess pollution, and might explain the excessive smell in my > garage. > > Charlie > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *From:* bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net > [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] *On Behalf Of > *the-hound@juno.com > *Sent:* Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:54 AM > *To:* wbraveheartw@comcast.net > *Cc:* bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net; denalenard@yahoo.com > *Subject:* Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? > > Dena/Bill........are you two living in my garage and talking about my car? > > This happen so many times now, now I have a battery tender that is > constantly on so that if I forget to start the car and run the battery > down, it will charge back up and then try starting it again 2-3 hours > later without a problem. I think the '74 have a problem with the gas > draining back into the gas tank. Now I turn on ignition for about 3-5 > minutes and let the 5 lb electric fuel pump pressure up the fuel lines > with gas. Then I pump the gas pedal 3-4 times to set the choke/floats > and most of times it starts. > > To prevent this problem now, I try to start the car at least one a > month. My wife get's a little pissed off sometime at the exhaust > smell in the house. One day I am going to remember to get a long hose > for the exhaust and drive the car in the garage in the winter vs > backing in. > > The question is if this is unique problems for the '74 only? > > Season Greeting all. > > PS: Start 'em-up and driving 'em before winter set in!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > > -- bill wallace wrote: > Have you checked the choke butterflys to make sure they are fully > closed? You don't mention how often you attempt to start your > car...when my '74 sits for a week or more I have to add gas to the > carbs to compensate for evaporation, otherwise I have to crank the > engine for an ungodly amount of time to get gas back into the carbs... > Bill > On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dena Lenard wrote: > > > Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any rhyme > > or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near > > empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. Sometimes > > it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And the > > choke is always engaged. Any ideas? > > > > Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone > > _______________________________________________ > > Please edit the length of replies > > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > > > > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Please edit the length of replies >BMWCSRegistry mailing list >BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net >http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 2/23/2007 > > -- Internal Virus Database is out-of-date. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.412 / Virus Database: 268.18.3/699 - Release Date: 2/23/2007 From mbalaban2002 at earthlink.net Sun Dec 7 17:40:10 2008 From: mbalaban2002 at earthlink.net (Michael Balaban) Date: Sun Dec 7 17:39:51 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? In-Reply-To: <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B60049612D6@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> References: <20081206.095355.8995.1@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B60049612D6@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> Message-ID: <32AB9905-D526-4B06-AE2A-F7B94A3D73EA@earthlink.net> I've been following the exact procedure for cold starts for years. I never pump the gas pedal, only slowly depressing it once and not depressing it while cranking the engine. It has never failed me. Michael Balaban mbalaban2002@earthlink.net On Dec 7, 2008, at 3:32 PM, Peavey, Charlie wrote: > I have a '74 also, with Webers. If my car sits for a couple of > weeks or more without being started, the carbs dry out and probably > the fuel lines also. I have found it best to first set the chokes > by slowly depressing the gas pedal and letting it back up. This > doesn't introduce any gas into the airstream because the carbs are > empty. Then I take my foot off the pedal and crank the engine for > 15 seconds or so and stop (to let the starter cool off), and then I > usually have to repeat, in order to first prime the mechanical fuel > pump and then finally get gas back into the carbs. Then the engine > catches. I don't touch the gas pedal again or I run the risk of > flooding it with the accelerator pumps or losing the choke set. > > Recently, I bought a new ignition wire harness, plugs, cap and > rotor, and a Bosch red coil. I've had a Pertronix installed for a > couple of years. The wires and coil seem to have made a tremendous > difference to starting and running when cold. Even in cold weather, > it has been starting like a champ as long as it's been driven in the > past couple of days and has fuel in the carbs. > > I don't know where all the gas goes. If it's evaporating, then > that's a lot of excess pollution, and might explain the excessive > smell in my garage. > > Charlie > > From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net > ] On Behalf Of the-hound@juno.com > Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 9:54 AM > To: wbraveheartw@comcast.net > Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net; denalenard@yahoo.com > Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Gremlins? > > Dena/Bill........are you two living in my garage and talking about > my car? > > This happen so many times now, now I have a battery tender that is > constantly on so that if I forget to start the car and run the > battery down, it will charge back up and then try starting it again > 2-3 hours later without a problem. I think the '74 have a problem > with the gas draining back into the gas tank. Now I turn on > ignition for about 3-5 minutes and let the 5 lb electric fuel pump > pressure up the fuel lines with gas. Then I pump the gas pedal 3-4 > times to set the choke/floats and most of times it starts. > > To prevent this problem now, I try to start the car at least one a > month. My wife get's a little pissed off sometime at the exhaust > smell in the house. One day I am going to remember to get a long > hose for the exhaust and drive the car in the garage in the winter > vs backing in. > > The question is if this is unique problems for the '74 only? > > Season Greeting all. > > PS: Start 'em-up and driving 'em before winter set in!!!!!!!!!!! > > > > > -- bill wallace wrote: > Have you checked the choke butterflys to make sure they are fully > closed? You don't mention how often you attempt to start your > car...when my '74 sits for a week or more I have to add gas to the > carbs to compensate for evaporation, otherwise I have to crank the > engine for an ungodly amount of time to get gas back into the carbs... > Bill > On Dec 5, 2008, at 12:19 PM, Dena Lenard wrote: > > > Sometimes my car just won't start. There doesn't seem to be any > rhyme > > or reason for it. Sometimes the tank is full sometimes it's near > > empty. Sometimes starting fluid works sometimes it doesn't. > Sometimes > > it's cold out sometimes it's warm. I've got a petronix system. And > the > > choke is always engaged. Any ideas? > > > > Amazingly you've actually received this from my iphone > > _______________________________________________ > > Please edit the length of replies > > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > > > > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Take a break - you deserve it. Click here to find a great vacation. > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Phelps) Date: Wed Dec 10 16:30:07 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator question In-Reply-To: <20081210170003.756D7FD9E2@www.bmwcsregistry.org> Message-ID: <673977.6712.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Have your stock radiator re-cored with three or 4 rows, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081210/e9fe43c1/attachment.html From CPeavey at HPTI.com Wed Dec 10 17:24:31 2008 From: CPeavey at HPTI.com (Peavey, Charlie) Date: Wed Dec 10 17:23:20 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator question In-Reply-To: <673977.6712.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> References: <20081210170003.756D7FD9E2@www.bmwcsregistry.org> <673977.6712.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B6004961996@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> If you have trouble finding a radiator shop that works with our old-fashioned brass & solder models, Curtis Ingraham does a good business rebuilding 2002 radiators. I assume he will do a coupe's. I bought a 3-row tropical cored rebuild from him and recommend his products. Silicon Garage Curtis Ingraham 2002 Radiators Oakland, CA 94611 510 507-2002 SiGarage@aol.com Charlie ________________________________ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Dale B. Phelps Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:31 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator question Have your stock radiator re-cored with three or 4 rows, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081210/5f053509/attachment.html From briblett at comcast.net Wed Dec 10 17:45:30 2008 From: briblett at comcast.net (Bill Riblett) Date: Wed Dec 10 17:44:56 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator question In-Reply-To: <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B6004961996@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> References: <20081210170003.756D7FD9E2@www.bmwcsregistry.org> <673977.6712.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B6004961996@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> Message-ID: <000f01c95b19$0190d9f0$04b28dd0$@net> I have one of Curt's E9 radiators and it is very nice. However, if your old radiator worked ok with the old engine, and checks out ok, in your place I would try it first. From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Peavey, Charlie Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:25 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator question If you have trouble finding a radiator shop that works with our old-fashioned brass & solder models, Curtis Ingraham does a good business rebuilding 2002 radiators. I assume he will do a coupe's. I bought a 3-row tropical cored rebuild from him and recommend his products. Silicon Garage Curtis Ingraham 2002 Radiators Oakland, CA 94611 510 507-2002 SiGarage@aol.com Charlie _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Dale B. Phelps Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:31 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator question Have your stock radiator re-cored with three or 4 rows, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081210/a833c894/attachment.html From dowstie at msn.com Wed Dec 10 21:36:58 2008 From: dowstie at msn.com (Jonathan Dowst) Date: Wed Dec 10 21:36:13 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator question In-Reply-To: <000f01c95b19$0190d9f0$04b28dd0$@net> References: <20081210170003.756D7FD9E2@www.bmwcsregistry.org> <673977.6712.qm@web38101.mail.mud.yahoo.com> <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B6004961996@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> <000f01c95b19$0190d9f0$04b28dd0$@net> Message-ID: My 3.5 has been running cooly for 3 summers with the original radiator. Of course, I'm from NH...but it is warm here in the summer I through-bolted the fan clutch as I don't run in the winter. From: briblett@comcast.netTo: CPeavey@HPTI.com; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.netSubject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator questionDate: Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:45:30 -0500CC: I have one of Curt?s E9 radiators and it is very nice. However, if your old radiator worked ok with the old engine, and checks out ok, in your place I would try it first. From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Peavey, CharlieSent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 5:25 PMTo: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.netSubject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator question If you have trouble finding a radiator shop that works with our old-fashioned brass & solder models, Curtis Ingraham does a good business rebuilding 2002 radiators. I assume he will do a coupe's. I bought a 3-row tropical cored rebuild from him and recommend his products. Silicon GarageCurtis Ingraham2002 RadiatorsOakland, CA 94611510 507-2002SiGarage@aol.com Charlie From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Dale B. PhelpsSent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:31 PMTo: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.netSubject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 3.5 upgrade radiator question Have your stock radiator re-cored with three or 4 rows, -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081210/4247c36b/attachment.html From sebring222 at aol.com Tue Dec 16 09:56:10 2008 From: sebring222 at aol.com (sebring222@aol.com) Date: Tue Dec 16 09:55:21 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Front Fender Installation Message-ID: <8CB2DA59121B34C-718-A40@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> Group- Do the front fenders on a CS Coupe bolt on in the same way that 2002 fenders do? Any issues/problems with installation or removal? Thanks for your help with this! Jim Dougherty New Orleans -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081216/34cd7601/attachment.html From m_thompson at ids.net Tue Dec 16 10:17:51 2008 From: m_thompson at ids.net (Michael Thompson) Date: Tue Dec 16 10:16:52 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Front Fender Installation Message-ID: <1229440671.4947c69f72e8f@webmail.onecommunications.net> >Group- >Do the front fenders on a CS Coupe bolt on in the same way that 2002 fenders >do? Any issues/problems with installation or removal? The front fenders are welded on. It is nearly impossible to remove them without destroying them. To replace them you will need a MIG welder, a pinch spot welder, and a blind spot welder. You will also need quite a few sheet metal parts that fit between the new fender and the body. It is likely that you will find lots of rust above the glove compartment, above the fuse block, and at the lower cowl. Repair panels are available for some of these areas. I replaced both fenders and replaired the rusted sections on my '72 CS myself at home. A few years of experience in a body shop helped. I can post pictures and instructions if you are interested. Michael Thompson From m_thompson at ids.net Wed Dec 17 10:27:37 2008 From: m_thompson at ids.net (Michael Thompson) Date: Wed Dec 17 10:26:35 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Front Fender Installation Message-ID: <1229527657.49491a69ccd3d@webmail.onecommunications.net> >Based upon your experience would you recommend complete fender replacement or >patch panel replacement for the lower section just above the rocker panel? My >feeling is that if there is rust in that lower section that has perforated the >fender it's a pretty strong likelihood that there are additional repairs that >need to be made but are as yet unseen, particularly on a sunroof car. There are several common rust areas on the fenders. One is on the top surface next to the hood. Another is an area between the firewall and the fender well that gets closed in except for the side towards the tires. This fills with sand, and if the car was in snow country gets salt and eats the metal. You can do a lot of inspecting without removing the fenders. Open the left storage compartment and look above the fuse block. This is the surface that rusts through from capturing sand. Open the glove compartment and look above the hinge. This is also the rust through surface from capturing sand. If either of these areas are rusted through then removing the fenders, cutting out the rusted parts, and welding in replacement parts is the only fix. There is a removable panel at the rear of the fenderwell that seals a lot of the area at the rear of the fender. You can remove the panel and see what is behind the rusted part of the fender. You can remove the kick panels in the foot wells and look inside for rust and perforations. Once you have a better idea of how bad the rust is you can decide on a patch panel or more extensive repairs. Michael Thompson From m_thompson at ids.net Thu Dec 18 10:15:21 2008 From: m_thompson at ids.net (Michael Thompson) Date: Thu Dec 18 10:14:08 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Front Fender Installation Message-ID: <1229613321.494a6909e83b4@webmail.onecommunications.net> >Do I need to remove the passenger side kick panel to access the "removable >panel at the rear of the fenderwell'? Removing the kick panel will let you see the inside of the cowl/A-pillar. It is common to see rust at the bottom of this section. >Perhaps the panel is in the fenderwell itself rather than any access from the >passenger compartment side? If you remove the panel inside the rear of the fenderwell then you can see the inside of the fender and the outside of the cowl/A-pillar. >My problem area is just behind the wheel on the passenger side. If the only rust you find is the rear part of the fender then you are really lucky and can repair the fender without removing it. >The tops of the fenders seem fine. Mine were completly gone. I will post annotated pictures of the rustoration of my '72 CS. This will give you a good idea of just how bad it can be. Michael Thompson From cgshawaii at netscape.net Fri Dec 19 03:37:14 2008 From: cgshawaii at netscape.net (cgshawaii@netscape.net) Date: Fri Dec 19 03:36:08 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Front Fender Installation In-Reply-To: <8CB2DA59121B34C-718-A40@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB2DA59121B34C-718-A40@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CB2FCC20A92514-E80-2BB4@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> No they do not fasten with bolts as do 2002 fenders.? Front fenders on a CS form part of the lower outer corners of the windshield frame, and if that weren't enough to give you fits (the windshield has to come out first) the fender is joined/molded to the body there with LEAD.? Such as was used in old 1950s-era Brit machines like Jag XK's. Lead, for crying out loud. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: sebring222@aol.com To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 4:56 am Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Front Fender Installation Group- Do the front fenders on a CS Coupe bolt on in the same way that 2002 fenders do? Any issues/problems with installation or removal? Thanks for your help with this! Jim Dougherty New Orleans Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ? including songs for the holidays ? FREE while you browse. 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URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081219/40408141/attachment.html From briblett at comcast.net Fri Dec 19 10:12:33 2008 From: briblett at comcast.net (Bill Riblett) Date: Fri Dec 19 10:11:28 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Front Fender Installation In-Reply-To: <8CB2FCC20A92514-E80-2BB4@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CB2DA59121B34C-718-A40@FWM-M36.sysops.aol.com> <8CB2FCC20A92514-E80-2BB4@mblk-d13.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <000301c961ec$38abf760$aa03e620$@net> Actually lead works very well in this case, since it is more flexible than a lot of other fillers and hence less likely to crack when the floppy E9 body flexs. Bill From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of cgshawaii@netscape.net Sent: Friday, December 19, 2008 3:37 AM To: sebring222@aol.com; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Front Fender Installation No they do not fasten with bolts as do 2002 fenders. Front fenders on a CS form part of the lower outer corners of the windshield frame, and if that weren't enough to give you fits (the windshield has to come out first) the fender is joined/molded to the body there with LEAD. Such as was used in old 1950s-era Brit machines like Jag XK's. Lead, for crying out loud. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: sebring222@aol.com To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Tue, 16 Dec 2008 4:56 am Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Front Fender Installation Group- Do the front fenders on a CS Coupe bolt on in the same way that 2002 fenders do? Any issues/problems with installation or removal? Thanks for your help with this! Jim Dougherty New Orleans _____ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ? including songs for the holidays ? FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now ! _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry _____ Listen to 350+ music, sports, & news radio stations ? including songs for the holidays ? FREE while you browse. Start Listening Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081219/8ce86a5e/attachment.html From tcolt at netzero.com Mon Dec 29 21:14:32 2008 From: tcolt at netzero.com (tom) Date: Mon Dec 29 21:14:13 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Part # for E9, E12, E24 diff. reinforcement bracket/retrofit? Message-ID: Hi Does anyone have the part number for that OEM BMW retrofit bracket/ kit that is welded in to support the rear differential mount and trunk floor cross member on the Coupes? Apparently it was sold for the E12 or E24 bodies and is available from BMW dealers. Thanks, Tom ____________________________________________________________ Bills adding up? Click here for free information on payday loans. http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/PnY6rx9LYFObnwVRhRtxmp3f4wBkZ1PggLTetVC1zNJ1LSLehAUtp/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20081229/60b2510a/attachment.html