From nfriedant2002 at yahoo.com Tue Jul 1 06:56:41 2008 From: nfriedant2002 at yahoo.com (neal friedant) Date: Tue Jul 1 08:56:38 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Rear license plate lights (hella) Message-ID: <356853.88270.qm@web34703.mail.mud.yahoo.com> Sorry to post this but I have run into a situation with my '72 Bavaria. Just had it painted and some thing were disassembled when I acquired it. One, the dual rear Hella license plate lights that shine down onto the plate. I recall someone posting a couple of weeks back about this and others answering about the current availability of something similar. Does anyone have a part number? Thanks. nf '70 2800CS '72 Bavaria 3.0 '73 2002 From MikeUra at aol.com Tue Jul 1 11:35:24 2008 From: MikeUra at aol.com (MikeUra@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 1 10:35:34 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Rear license plate lights (hella) Message-ID: Go to Maximillian's web site and pull up the parts catalog. You can get the part number and an indication of availablity new. Suggest you then call Max directly to get actual availability. If NLA, then would try 2002AD. Good Luck, Mike In a message dated 7/1/2008 7:57:19 A.M. Central Daylight Time, nfriedant2002@yahoo.com writes: Sorry to post this but I have run into a situation with my '72 Bavaria. Just had it painted and some thing were disassembled when I acquired it. One, the dual rear Hella license plate lights that shine down onto the plate. I recall someone posting a couple of weeks back about this and others answering about the current availability of something similar. Does anyone have a part number? Thanks. nf '70 2800CS '72 Bavaria 3.0 '73 2002 _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080701/2df8201e/attachment.html From jimm at polarisinvest.com Tue Jul 1 13:20:57 2008 From: jimm at polarisinvest.com (Jim Muir) Date: Tue Jul 1 12:20:54 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS Message-ID: <01782B9B4170CF41AB49AA62D7BBEA09A8948F@bigdipper.MilkyWay.local> I am two for two on this registry (canted air condition compressor and finding timing mark), so I will again call on your collective wisdom. Is there any substitute to paying $475 for the rubber gasket for the driver's side door? Apparently, BMW had to re-manufacture the gaskets and a high price is the result. Thanks -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080701/ad7e5a39/attachment.html From csilcoupe at msn.com Tue Jul 1 14:59:40 2008 From: csilcoupe at msn.com (Dan Koturov) Date: Tue Jul 1 15:59:38 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS In-Reply-To: <01782B9B4170CF41AB49AA62D7BBEA09A8948F@bigdipper.MilkyWay.local> References: <01782B9B4170CF41AB49AA62D7BBEA09A8948F@bigdipper.MilkyWay.local> Message-ID: E9 Listers, I have a contact with the actual manufacturer in Germany for BMW seals and I am working on setting up a US source for them. Right now, even with the high Euro, I believe I can supply the door seals for $375 instead of the dealer price of over $500. (are you sure that $475 is current?) Anyone interested in any E9 seals, even supposedlly NLA items, let me know what you are interested in and I will let you know when I find out for sure what the prices will be. Almost guaranteed to be below dealer wholesale. Dan ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Muir To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS I am two for two on this registry (canted air condition compressor and finding timing mark), so I will again call on your collective wisdom. Is there any substitute to paying $475 for the rubber gasket for the driver's side door? Apparently, BMW had to re-manufacture the gaskets and a high price is the result. Thanks _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080701/b514a54d/attachment.html From dpdapper at earthlink.net Tue Jul 1 15:38:33 2008 From: dpdapper at earthlink.net (David P.Dapper) Date: Tue Jul 1 17:38:32 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS Message-ID: <20821662.1214948313450.JavaMail.root@elwamui-ovcar.atl.sa.earthlink.net> An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080701/53d73666/attachment.html From Coupecs at aol.com Tue Jul 1 21:12:12 2008 From: Coupecs at aol.com (Coupecs@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 1 20:12:20 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS Message-ID: I can't afford new gaskets. But the only problem part on both doors is along the chrome door sill. So I unscrewed the top chrome sill, took out the gasket that runs along it, made a clean cut at each end, screwed it back together and it looks terrific, in my eyes. Who's to know except now everyone on the list. And since I don't drive the car in the rain or when the humidity is approaching 100% or during any other times of moisture I should be ok. According to an article in the latest Hemmings Sports & Exotics Full Restoration back to factory better for a 2002 can run up $25,000 in parts!!! Half of that is probably gaskets Steve ONeill 74 3.0CSi **************Gas prices getting you down? Search AOL Autos for fuel-efficient used cars. (http://autos.aol.com/used?ncid=aolaut00050000000007) -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080701/349b9d71/attachment.html From art at bmwcsregistry.org Wed Jul 2 11:25:06 2008 From: art at bmwcsregistry.org (Art Wegweiser) Date: Wed Jul 2 10:25:10 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS In-Reply-To: References: <01782B9B4170CF41AB49AA62D7BBEA09A8948F@bigdipper.MilkyWay.local> Message-ID: Thanks Dan. I hope this works. The price for a strip of rubber is outrageous but then so is 12 oz of bottled water (usually out of a tap somewhere anyway)and an ear of corn - no more $2 a dozen, hanks to the Ethanol scam. I usually keep all those rubber gaskets nicely lubed with rubber preservative. I won a thing of it from Zymol (lost the umlaut) a while back and it does the job. So might others, of course. Art At 1:59 PM -0600 7/1/08, Dan Koturov wrote: >E9 Listers, I have a contact with the actual manufacturer in Germany >for BMW seals and I am working on setting up a US source for them. >Right now, even with the high Euro, I believe I can supply the door >seals for $375 instead of the dealer price of over $500. (are you >sure that $475 is current?) Anyone interested in any E9 seals, even >supposedlly NLA items, let me know what you are interested in and I >will let you know when I find out for sure what the prices will be. >Almost guaranteed to be below dealer wholesale. > >Dan -- From drccm1122 at yahoo.com Wed Jul 2 13:20:12 2008 From: drccm1122 at yahoo.com (Chris McFarland) Date: Wed Jul 2 15:20:15 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS In-Reply-To: Message-ID: <499513.25485.qm@web65612.mail.ac4.yahoo.com> Dan Speaking of door components, I need to redo my interior door panels. As a rule,are the used components going to be "well used"? Am I better to try to find new parts when available? Chris --- On Tue, 7/1/08, Dan Koturov wrote: From: Dan Koturov Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS To: "Jim Muir" , "bmwcsregistry" Date: Tuesday, July 1, 2008, 3:59 PM E9 Listers, I have a contact with the actual manufacturer in Germany for BMW seals and I am working on setting up a US source for them. Right now, even with the high Euro, I believe I can supply the door seals for $375 instead of the dealer price of over $500. (are you sure that?$475 is current?) Anyone interested in any E9 seals, even supposedlly NLA items, ?let me know what you are interested in and I will let you know when I find out for sure what the prices will be. Almost guaranteed to be below dealer wholesale.. Dan ? ? ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim Muir To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Tuesday, July 01, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS I am two for two on this registry (canted air condition compressor and finding timing mark), so I will again call on your collective wisdom. ? Is there any substitute to paying $475 for the rubber gasket for the driver's side door?? Apparently,?BMW had to re-manufacture the gaskets and a high price is the result. ? Thanks_______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry_______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080702/64dd6373/attachment.html From art at bmwcsregistry.org Wed Jul 2 22:47:43 2008 From: art at bmwcsregistry.org (Art Wegweiser) Date: Wed Jul 2 21:47:49 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Driver's side door gasket 72 3.0CS In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Good move, Steve but now that everyone knows your shame, don't enter a Concours or the white glove and Q tip gang will flay you alive. Maybe I'll show up for at least part of O'fest. Ilse and I are getting long in the tooth and Watkins Glen is about enough of a drive for doing in one day. A good and safe 4th to all. Drink but don't drive. Beer is cheaper than fuel although bottled water is not. Believe it or no, here in NW PA gas dropped from $4.05 to $3.99. I'll be filling every proper container I own including the weed wacker, mowers, chain saw and garden tiller. Art At 8:12 PM -0400 7/1/08, Coupecs@aol.com wrote: >I can't afford new gaskets. But the only problem part on both doors >is along the chrome door sill. So I unscrewed the top chrome sill, >took out the gasket that runs along it, made a clean cut at each >end, screwed it back together and it looks terrific, in my eyes. >Who's to know except now everyone on the list. > >And since I don't drive the car in the rain or when the humidity is >approaching 100% or during any other times of moisture I should be >ok. > >According to an article in the latest Hemmings Sports & Exotics Full >Restoration back to factory better for a 2002 can run up $25,000 in >parts!!! Half of that is probably gaskets. > >Steve ONeill > >74 3.0CSi -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Message-ID: <20080714.214341.189.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Hello - Is Everyone on Vacation? There are any messages coming my way lately, so what going on? Baskerville " In the Last Colony" Have a nice day ALL. ____________________________________________________________ Explore all of Europe's beauty! Click now for great vacation packages! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nKHL0jFemoP1LcJ3o9wKGOlvrz3CFHl3nReYVZJtsXh9OKD/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080715/b08fd9fc/attachment.html From danielmleblanc at verizon.net Tue Jul 15 09:05:00 2008 From: danielmleblanc at verizon.net (DANIEL LEBLANC) Date: Tue Jul 15 08:04:40 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? In-Reply-To: <20080714.214341.189.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080714.214341.189.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <1F8690D391F541C8BA232730333030E3@DanielMLeBlaPC> I think all the cars and members just rusted away. Danimal _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of the-hound@juno.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:44 PM To: art@bmwcsregistry.org; bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? Hello - Is Everyone on Vacation? There are any messages coming my way lately, so what going on? Baskerville " In the Last Colony" Have a nice day ALL. ____________________________________________________________ Explore all of Europe's beauty! Click now for great vacation packages! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080715/58d259f4/attachment.html From mike at valentine1.com Tue Jul 15 18:31:32 2008 From: mike at valentine1.com (Mike Valentine) Date: Tue Jul 15 17:30:21 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? In-Reply-To: <1F8690D391F541C8BA232730333030E3@DanielMLeBlaPC> References: <20080714.214341.189.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com> <1F8690D391F541C8BA232730333030E3@DanielMLeBlaPC> Message-ID: <1F92569BC647DC4FA3D6CD2BA3F5A0C80250620A@vr-exchange.valentine1.com> Speaking of what's going on, what happened to e9coupe.com? It's been down for a few days now. Mike in Cincinnati ________________________________ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of DANIEL LEBLANC Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:05 AM To: the-hound@juno.com Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? I think all the cars and members just rusted away. Danimal ________________________________ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of the-hound@juno.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:44 PM To: art@bmwcsregistry.org; bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? Hello - Is Everyone on Vacation? There are any messages coming my way lately, so what going on? Baskerville " In the Last Colony" Have a nice day ALL. ____________________________________________________________ Explore all of Europe's beauty! Click now for great vacation packages! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080715/12342d7e/attachment.html From coupecs at aol.com Tue Jul 15 19:15:58 2008 From: coupecs at aol.com (coupecs@aol.com) Date: Tue Jul 15 18:15:18 2008 Subject: Fwd: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? In-Reply-To: <8CAB4A1E09763F1-BEC-1879@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> References: <8CAB4A1E09763F1-BEC-1879@MBLK-M07.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <8CAB4DF7DCCEA50-10C8-13F6@WEBMAIL-MB01.sysops.aol.com> -----Original Message----- From: coupecs@aol.com To: danielmleblanc@verizon.net Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:54 am Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? This member and his car have not rusted away, yet! I have been talking to other members but wanted to spare the huddled masses my whining about the state of the nation as we talked BMWs local car shows and parts and rallys and what not. But while I have your rapt attention and before the rapture which King George is hoping will occur soon to get him out of the mess he and the gang have created, I have two car related questions. After my car was painted I did not replace the foam on the inside of the hood. Was there foam from the factory, was it an option, did all dealers install it, if I want the car to be all original do I need to reinstall it? I am hoping I don't have to because I like the hood the way it is and my body guy said the foam traps moisture. Your thoughts. And second, does anyone have a really good condition black trunk carpet? I have new carpet on the interior but it did not come with trunk carpet. Well, if nothing else the King George comment should rouse the sleeping giant. Steve 74 3.0CSi (Ready for the Track on Sept. 17) -----Original Message----- From: DANIEL LEBLANC To: the-hound@juno.com Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Tue, 15 Jul 2008 8:05 am Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? I think all the cars and members just rusted away. Danimal From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of the-hound@juno.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:44 PM To: art@bmwcsregistry.org; bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? Hello - Is Everyone on Vacation? There are any messages coming my way lately, so what going on? Baskerville " In the Last Colony" Have a nice day ALL. ____________________________________________________________ Explore all of Europe's beauty! Click now for great vacation packages!_______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry From briblett at comcast.net Tue Jul 15 23:05:41 2008 From: briblett at comcast.net (Bill Riblett) Date: Tue Jul 15 22:02:52 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? In-Reply-To: <1F92569BC647DC4FA3D6CD2BA3F5A0C80250620A@vr-exchange.valentine1.com> References: <20080714.214341.189.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com><1F8690D391F541C8BA232730333030E3@DanielMLeBlaPC> <1F92569BC647DC4FA3D6CD2BA3F5A0C80250620A@vr-exchange.valentine1.com> Message-ID: <004801c8e6e8$734545e0$6401a8c0@DGRW0241> It works for me. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Mike Valentine Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? Speaking of what's going on, what happened to e9coupe.com? It's been down for a few days now. Mike in Cincinnati _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of DANIEL LEBLANC Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 8:05 AM To: the-hound@juno.com Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? I think all the cars and members just rusted away. Danimal _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of the-hound@juno.com Sent: Monday, July 14, 2008 9:44 PM To: art@bmwcsregistry.org; bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? Hello - Is Everyone on Vacation? There are any messages coming my way lately, so what going on? Baskerville " In the Last Colony" Have a nice day ALL. ____________________________________________________________ Explore all of Europe's beauty! Click now for great vacation packages! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080715/84cf93e6/attachment.html From mike at valentine1.com Wed Jul 16 09:01:20 2008 From: mike at valentine1.com (Mike Valentine) Date: Wed Jul 16 08:00:28 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? In-Reply-To: <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B600412FA7D@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> References: <20080714.214341.189.2@webmail06.vgs.untd.com><1F8690D391F541C8BA232730333030E3@DanielMLeBlaPC> <1F92569BC647DC4FA3D6CD2BA3F5A0C80250620A@vr-exchange.valentine1.com> <5045A4D718CAB644BA24979206486B600412FA7D@hptimail03.HPTI.COM> Message-ID: <1F92569BC647DC4FA3D6CD2BA3F5A0C80250620B@vr-exchange.valentine1.com> All, Thanks for the info. Those that suggested the problem to be on my end were correct. I tried e9coupe.com on my iPhone and it worked. I then rebooted my computer a few times and now everything is much better. Cheers, Mike in Cincinnati ________________________________ From: Peavey, Charlie [mailto:CPeavey@HPTI.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:52 PM To: Mike Valentine Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? I was in it yesterday, and it's working now, so maybe there's a problem on your end? - Charlie ________________________________ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Mike Valentine Sent: Tuesday, July 15, 2008 5:32 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Hello Everyone: "What's Going On"??? Speaking of what's going on, what happened to e9coupe.com? It's been down for a few days now. Mike in Cincinnati -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Art At 1:43 AM +0000 7/15/08, the-hound@juno.com wrote: >Hello - Is Everyone on Vacation? > >There are any messages coming my way lately, so what going on? > >Baskerville " In the Last Colony" > >Have a nice day ALL. > -- From res076bb at verizon.net Wed Jul 16 18:24:55 2008 From: res076bb at verizon.net (gary.jane) Date: Wed Jul 16 20:26:57 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Don't stretch after jogging (WOB warning) Message-ID: <004101c8e7a3$8a6ca2c0$d59e6f47@mediacenter> Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080718/df50e79b/attachment.html From cgshawaii at netscape.net Fri Jul 18 20:40:13 2008 From: cgshawaii at netscape.net (cgshawaii@netscape.net) Date: Fri Jul 18 19:39:40 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone In-Reply-To: <20080717.213552.6333.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080717.213552.6333.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: <8CAB746C1F469F8-E58-1DF4@webmail-nb12.sysops.aol.com> Okay.... but with BMW's penchant for "customer engineering" (some latent, potentially very expensive, flaw in each model) what might the first-generation electric Mini do to its owner? "Break My Wallet". I thought the gas Mini was kinda heavy for a "small" car, though I don't recall hard numbers.? Electric power wouldn't go well with that.? And, of course, BMW?WILL NOT build an economy car... look what happened with the 1 series, base price upwards of $30K... and not a fuel efficient motor in it, either.? Apparently they have utterly conceded that market to others.? Well, it's their choice.? Brand loyalty will only carry so far, but I think they've gone beyond that too, marketing and selling to ego-driven buyers for whom a car purchase doesn't represent a major expense. I think small fuel efficient cars ARE the future, and large cars will shortly become a thing of the past.? We are seeing, I think (hope?) the end of large vehicles. Yeah, there are holdouts, and haulers for commercial use will always be here, but I can't think of anything that would get me into something larger than my coupe.? Mostly I ride a 2-wheeled BMW where multi-child pick and delivery is not imposed on me. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: the-hound@juno.com To: bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Hello: This one I would buy in a convertible.............I have been looking for a 2006 Cooper S White, Silver or Red with a tan or burgundy?interior 6 speed.? http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests.html?partner=yahoofp The-Hound......Have a nice day and weekend. ____________________________________________________________ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080718/1eb6a811/attachment.html From SDuval at trialgraphix.com Fri Jul 18 20:46:18 2008 From: SDuval at trialgraphix.com (SDuval@trialgraphix.com) Date: Fri Jul 18 19:45:32 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Message-ID: Skipped content of type multipart/alternative-------------- next part -------------- _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry From T.Taklo at shell.com Sat Jul 19 00:21:07 2008 From: T.Taklo at shell.com (T.Taklo@shell.com) Date: Sat Jul 19 00:20:27 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone In-Reply-To: <8CAB746C1F469F8-E58-1DF4@webmail-nb12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <286264B2476A144C90458AA0C034AADF58C4A7@houic-s-03343.americas.shell.com> Charlie, BMW is building fuel efficient cars - they are just not bringing them to the US. A few months ago a friend of mine postulated that "there's not a German car in existance that gets 35 MPG... much less an ability to AVERAGE that across the entire fleet..." I took the time to go through the bmw.de web site, and here's what I came up with: The following BMWs are getting 35 mpg or more according to EU mixed driving cycle: 535 d auto 530 d x (4WD) 530 d 530 d Touring 525 d x 525 d 525 d Touring 520 d (46 mpg!) 520 d Touring 520 i 335 d auto 330 d x 330 d 330 d Touring 325 d 325 d Touring 320 d (49 mpg!!) 318 d (50 mpg!!!) 320 i 320 i Touring 318 i 318 i Touring (as well as coupes and cabrios for all the above 3's) 123 d 120 d 118 d 120 i 118 i 116 i X3 2.0 d 635d almost made it: 34 mpg (mixed cycle) I understand that BMW will be introducing a couple of diesels in the US by the end of the year, but they seem reluctant to bring the "less powerful" models to the US market. No wonder that the 1-series is expensive when the smallest engine offered is a 3 liter with well over 200 HP.... I'm sure the BMW marketing executives are monitoring the market carefully at the moment, given the increasing fuel prices. Maybe we'll se lighter and more fuel efficient BMWs in the US as well in the near future. Tor 74 3.0 CS -----Original Message----- From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net]On Behalf Of cgshawaii@netscape.net Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:40 PM To: the-hound@juno.com; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Okay.... but with BMW's penchant for "customer engineering" (some latent, potentially very expensive, flaw in each model) what might the first-generation electric Mini do to its owner? "Break My Wallet". I thought the gas Mini was kinda heavy for a "small" car, though I don't recall hard numbers. Electric power wouldn't go well with that. And, of course, BMW WILL NOT build an economy car... look what happened with the 1 series, base price upwards of $30K... and not a fuel efficient motor in it, either. Apparently they have utterly conceded that market to others. Well, it's their choice. Brand loyalty will only carry so far, but I think they've gone beyond that too, marketing and selling to ego-driven buyers for whom a car purchase doesn't represent a major expense. I think small fuel efficient cars ARE the future, and large cars will shortly become a thing of the past. We are seeing, I think (hope?) the end of large vehicles. Yeah, there are holdouts, and haulers for commercial use will always be here, but I can't think of anything that would get me into something larger than my coupe. Mostly I ride a 2-wheeled BMW where multi-child pick and delivery is not imposed on me. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: the-hound@juno.com To: bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Hello: This one I would buy in a convertible.............I have been looking for a 2006 Cooper S White, Silver or Red with a tan or burgundy interior 6 speed. http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests.html?partner=yahoofp The-Hound......Have a nice day and weekend. ____________________________________________________________ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry _____ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080718/b61c0c98/attachment-0001.html From jefrolison at dellmail.com Sat Jul 19 20:01:14 2008 From: jefrolison at dellmail.com (jef rolison) Date: Sat Jul 19 07:00:26 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Message-ID: <20080719110114.9DD1623F042@ws3-4.us4.outblaze.com> Whats a BWM? RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Jef Rolison ----- Original Message ----- From: T.Taklo@shell.com To: cgshawaii@netscape.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Date: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 23:21:07 -0500 Charlie,BMW is building fuel efficient cars - they are just not bringing them to the US.A few months ago a friend of mine postulated that "there's not a German car in existance that gets 35 MPG... much less an ability to AVERAGE that across the entire fleet..." I took the time to go through the bmw.de web site, and here's what I came up with: The following BMWs are getting 35 mpg or more according to EU mixed driving cycle:535 d auto530 d x (4WD)530 d530 d Touring525 d x525 d525 d Touring520 d (46 mpg!)520 d Touring520 i 335 d auto330 d x330 d330 d Touring325 d325 d Touring320 d (49 mpg!!)318 d (50 mpg!!!)320 i320 i Touring318 i318 i Touring (as well as coupes and cabrios for all the above 3's)123 d120 d118 d120 i118 i116 iX3 2.0 d 635d almost made it: 34 mpg (mixed cycle) I understand that BMW will be introducing a couple of diesels in the US by the end of the year, but they seem reluctant to bring the "less powerful" models to the US market. No wonder that the 1-series is expensive when the smallest engine offered is a 3 liter with well over 200 HP....I'm sure the BMW marketing executives are monitoring the market carefully at the moment, given the increasing fuel prices. Maybe we'll se lighter and more fuel efficient BMWs in the US as well in the near future. Tor74 3.0 CS -----Original Message----- From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net]On Behalf Of cgshawaii@netscape.net Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:40 PM To: the-hound@juno.com; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Okay.... but with BMW's penchant for "customer engineering" (some latent, potentially very expensive, flaw in each model) what might the first-generation electric Mini do to its owner? "Break My Wallet". I thought the gas Mini was kinda heavy for a "small" car, though I don't recall hard numbers. Electric power wouldn't go well with that. And, of course, BMW WILL NOT build an economy car... look what happened with the 1 series, base price upwards of $30K... and not a fuel efficient motor in it, either. Apparently they have utterly conceded that market to others. Well, it's their choice. Brand loyalty will only carry so far, but I think they've gone beyond that too, marketing and selling to ego-driven buyers for whom a car purchase doesn't represent a major expense. I think small fuel efficient cars ARE the future, and large cars will shortly become a thing of the past. We are seeing, I think (hope?) the end of large vehicles. Yeah, there are holdouts, and haulers for commercial use will always be here, but I can't think of anything that would get me into something larger than my coupe. Mostly I ride a 2-wheeled BMW where multi-child pick and delivery is not imposed on me. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: the-hound@juno.com To: bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Hello:This one I would buy in a convertible.............I have been looking for a 2006 Cooper S White, Silver or Red with a tan or burgundy interior 6 speed. http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests.html?partner=yahoofpThe-Hound......Have a nice day and weekend. ____________________________________________________________ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------------------------------------------------------------- The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080719/e2436e1e/attachment.html From gary at siepser.net Sat Jul 19 22:40:02 2008 From: gary at siepser.net (Gary Siepser) Date: Sat Jul 19 21:39:28 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone In-Reply-To: <286264B2476A144C90458AA0C034AADF58C4A7@houic-s-03343.americas.shell.com> References: <286264B2476A144C90458AA0C034AADF58C4A7@houic-s-03343.americas.shell.com> Message-ID: <48829772.70006@siepser.net> Just got back from a week in Rome. Not exactly the heart of BMW-land but saw plenty of them mostly of the d and smaller displacement variety. Gas at around 1.35 Euro a litre. Thats over $8 a gallon. T.Taklo@shell.com wrote: > Charlie, > BMW _is_ building fuel efficient cars - they are just not bringing > them to the US. > A few months ago a friend of mine postulated that "there's not a > German car in existance that gets 35 MPG... much less an ability to > AVERAGE that across the entire fleet..." > I took the time to go through the bmw.de web site, and here's what I > came up with: > > *The following BMWs are getting 35 mpg or more according to EU mixed > driving cycle:* > *535 d auto* > *530 d x (4WD)* > *530 d* > *530 d Touring* > *525 d x* > *525 d* > *525 d Touring* > *520 d (46 mpg!)* > *520 d Touring* > *520 i * > *335 d auto* > *330 d x* > *330 d* > *330 d Touring* > *325 d* > *325 d Touring* > *320 d (49 mpg!!)* > *318 d (50 mpg!!!)* > *320 i* > *320 i Touring* > *318 i* > *318 i Touring (as well as coupes and cabrios for all the above 3's)* > *123 d* > *120 d* > *118 d* > *120 i* > *118 i* > *116 i* > *X3 2.0 d* > ** > *635d almost made it: 34 mpg (mixed cycle)* > ** > I understand that BMW will be introducing a couple of diesels in the > US by the end of the year, but they seem reluctant to bring the "less > powerful" models to the US market. No wonder that the 1-series is > expensive when the smallest engine offered is a 3 liter with well over > 200 HP.... > I'm sure the BMW marketing executives are monitoring the market > carefully at the moment, given the increasing fuel prices. Maybe we'll > se lighter and more fuel efficient BMWs in the US as well in the near > future. > > Tor > 74 3.0 CS > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net > [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net]*On Behalf Of > *cgshawaii@netscape.net > *Sent:* Friday, July 18, 2008 6:40 PM > *To:* the-hound@juno.com; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > *Subject:* Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone > > > Okay.... but with BMW's penchant for "customer engineering" (some > latent, potentially very expensive, flaw in each model) what might > the first-generation electric Mini do to its owner? > > "Break My Wallet". > > I thought the gas Mini was kinda heavy for a "small" car, though I > don't recall hard numbers. Electric power wouldn't go well with > that. > > And, of course, BMW WILL NOT build an economy car... look what > happened with the 1 series, base price upwards of $30K... and not > a fuel efficient motor in it, either. Apparently they have > utterly conceded that market to others. Well, it's their choice. > Brand loyalty will only carry so far, but I think they've gone > beyond that too, marketing and selling to ego-driven buyers for > whom a car purchase doesn't represent a major expense. > > I think small fuel efficient cars ARE the future, and large cars > will shortly become a thing of the past. We are seeing, I think > (hope?) the end of large vehicles. Yeah, there are holdouts, and > haulers for commercial use will always be here, but I can't think > of anything that would get me into something larger than my > coupe. Mostly I ride a 2-wheeled BMW where multi-child pick and > delivery is not imposed on me. > > Charlie > > -----Original Message----- > From: the-hound@juno.com > To: bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 3:35 pm > Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone > > Hello: > This one I would buy in a convertible.............I have been > looking for a 2006 Cooper S White, Silver or Red with a tan or > burgundy interior 6 speed. > http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests.html?partner=yahoofp > The-Hound......Have a nice day and weekend. > > > ____________________________________________________________ > Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel > online. > > > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ > Toolbar Now > ! > > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > Version: 8.0.138 / Virus Database: 270.5.2/1562 - Release Date: 7/19/2008 2:01 PM > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry From cgshawaii at netscape.net Sun Jul 20 17:01:42 2008 From: cgshawaii at netscape.net (cgshawaii@netscape.net) Date: Sun Jul 20 16:01:09 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone In-Reply-To: <286264B2476A144C90458AA0C034AADF58C4A7@houic-s-03343.americas.shell.com> Message-ID: <8CAB8BA903C6904-12A4-2ACC@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> Good list, good point.? My thought about this is that I hoped, when the USA mandated "clean diesel" fuel, that all sorts of interesting cars might arrive.? Moments later, the price of diesel (and gas) shot through the roof, and diesel seems to now command a 20% to 25% price premium.? Do the diesel versions of a particular body type get 20-25% better fuel economy than the comparable gas version?? Perhaps not, and when you factor that they may be rather more expensive, I think the time for diesel may have passed UNLESS one can develop a low-cost biodiesel source.? Anyone got a friend with a restaurant that does a lot of fat frying?? Perhaps MacDonald's owners will soon have a lot of new "friends". I'm not calling doom and gloom, I expect there will always be petroleum-based fuel for those who can pay for it.? But our transportation needs are not going to change as fast as we would like, and alternative technologies even more slowly.? This creates opportunities, but imposes compromises.? I am amused by the several versions of motorcycle-powered cars (search 'em out on Youtube), but they too are missing the point, being focused on performance rather than the potential of fuel-efficient transportation.? Too, liter-class bikes get mileage figures close the the more efficient hybrid technologies, so that may not be a useful direction to pursue. Now if I could just find a sorted BMW 700, or an Isetta... Charlie -----Original Message----- From: T.Taklo@shell.com To: cgshawaii@netscape.net Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 6:21 pm Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Charlie, BMW is building fuel efficient cars - they are just not bringing them to the US. A few months ago a friend of mine postulated that "there's not a German car in existance that gets 35 MPG...? much less an ability to AVERAGE that across the entire fleet..." I took the time to go through the bmw.de web site, and here's what I came up with: ? The following BMWs are getting 35 mpg or more according to EU mixed driving cycle: 535 d auto 530 d x (4WD) 530 d 530 d Touring 525 d x 525 d 525 d Touring 520 d (46 mpg!) 520 d Touring 520 i 335 d auto 330 d x 330 d 330 d Touring 325 d 325 d Touring 320 d (49 mpg!!) 318 d (50 mpg!!!) 320 i 320 i Touring 318 i 318 i Touring (as well as coupes and cabrios for all the above 3's) 123 d 120 d 118 d 120 i 118 i 116 i X3 2.0 d ? 635d almost made it: 34 mpg (mixed cycle) ? I understand that BMW will be introducing a couple of diesels in the US by the end of the year, but they seem reluctant to bring the "less powerful" models to the US market. No wonder that the 1-series is expensive when the smallest engine offered is a 3 liter with well over 200 HP.... I'm sure the BMW marketing executives are monitoring the market carefully at the moment, given the increasing fuel prices. Maybe we'll se lighter and more fuel efficient BMWs in the US as well in the near future. ? Tor 74 3.0 CS -----Original Message----- From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net]On Behalf Of cgshawaii@netscape.net Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:40 PM To: the-hound@juno.com; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Okay.... but with BMW's penchant for "customer engineering" (some latent, potentially very expensive, flaw in each model) what might the first-generation electric Mini do to its owner? "Break My Wallet". I thought the gas Mini was kinda heavy for a "small" car, though I don't recall hard numbers.? Electric power wouldn't go well with that.? And, of course, BMW?WILL NOT build an economy car... look what happened with the 1 series, base price upwards of $30K... and not a fuel efficient motor in it, either.? Apparently they have utterly conceded that market to others.? Well, it's their choice.? Brand loyalty will only carry so far, but I think they've gone beyond that too, marketing and selling to ego-driven buyers for whom a car purchase doesn't represent a major expense. I think small fuel efficient cars ARE the future, and large cars will shortly become a thing of the past.? We are seeing, I think (hope?) the end of large vehicles. Yeah, there are holdouts, and haulers for commercial use will always be here, but I can't think of anything that would get me into something larger than my coupe.? Mostly I ride a 2-wheeled BMW where multi-child pick and delivery is not imposed on me. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: the-hound@juno.com To: bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Hello: This one I would buy in a convertible.............I have been looking for a 2006 Cooper S White, Silver or Red with a tan or burgundy?interior 6 speed.? http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests.html?partner=yahoofp The-Hound......Have a nice day and weekend. ____________________________________________________________ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080720/8b42e0cb/attachment.html From the-hound at juno.com Sun Jul 20 21:25:32 2008 From: the-hound at juno.com (the-hound@juno.com) Date: Sun Jul 20 16:26:36 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Message-ID: <20080720.162532.27684.0@webmail07.vgs.untd.com> Now if I could just find a sorted BMW 700, or an Isetta... See below or if you can find a well maintained Mini, 318 iS, iC, or iT 5 speed it will be close as you can get to the BMW 700 or Isette....... http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests .html?partner=yahoofpThe-Hound in the HOT "Last Colony". -- cgshawaii@netscape.net wrote: Good list, good point. My thought about this is that I hoped, when the USA mandated "clean diesel" fuel, that all sorts of interesting cars might arrive. Moments later, the price of diesel (and gas) shot through the roof, and diesel seems to now command a 20% to 25% price premium. Do the diesel versions of a particular body type get 20-25% better fuel economy than the comparable gas version? Perhaps not, and when you factor that they may be rather more expensive, I think the time for diesel may have passed UNLESS one can develop a low-cost biodiesel source. Anyone got a friend with a restaurant that does a lot of fat frying? Perhaps MacDonald's owners will soon have a lot of new "friends". I'm not calling doom and gloom, I expect there will always be petroleum-based fuel for those who can pay for it. But our transportation needs are not going to change as fast as we would like, and alternative technologies even more slowly. This creates opportunities, but imposes compromises. I am amused by the several versions of motorcycle-powered cars (search 'em out on Youtube), but they too are missing the point, being focused on performance rather than the potential of fuel-efficient transportation. Too, liter-class bikes get mileage figures close the the more efficient hybrid technologies, so that may not be a useful direction to pursue. Now if I could just find a sorted BMW 700, or an Isetta... Charlie -----Original Message----- From: T.Taklo@shell.com To: cgshawaii@netscape.net Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 6:21 pm Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Charlie,BMW is building fuel efficient cars - they are just not bringing them to the US.A few months ago a friend of mine postulated that "there's not a German car in existance that gets 35 MPG... much less an ability to AVERAGE that across the entire fleet..." I took the time to go through the bmw.de web site, and here's what I came up with: The following BMWs are getting 35 mpg or more according to EU mixed driving cycle:535 d auto530 d x (4WD)530 d530 d Touring525 d x525 d525 d Touring520 d (46 mpg!)520 d Touring520 i 335 d auto330 d x330 d330 d Touring325 d325 d Touring320 d (49 mpg!!)318 d (50 mpg!!!)320 i320 i Touring318 i318 i Touring (as well as coupes and cabrios for all the above 3's)123 d120 d118 d120 i118 i116 iX3 2.0 d 635d almost made it: 34 mpg (mixed cycle) I understand that BMW will be introducing a couple of diesels in the US by the end of the year, but they seem reluctant to bring the "less powerful" models to the US market. No wonder that the 1-series is expensive when the smallest engine offered is a 3 liter with well over 200 HP....I'm sure the BMW marketing executives are monitoring the market carefully at the moment, given the increasing fuel prices. Maybe we'll se lighter and more fuel efficient BMWs in the US as well in the near future. Tor74 3.0 CS-----Original Message----- From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net]On Behalf Of cgshawaii@netscape.net Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:40 PM To: the-hound@juno.com; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Okay.... but with BMW's penchant for "customer engineering" (some latent, potentially very expensive, flaw in each model) what might the first-generation electric Mini do to its owner? "Break My Wallet". I thought the gas Mini was kinda heavy for a "small" car, though I don't recall hard numbers. Electric power wouldn't go well with that. And, of course, BMW WILL NOT build an economy car... look what happened with the 1 series, base price upwards of $30K... and not a fuel efficient motor in it, either. Apparently they have utterly conceded that market to others. Well, it's their choice. Brand loyalty will only carry so far, but I think they've gone beyond that too, marketing and selling to ego-driven buyers for whom a car purchase doesn't represent a major expense. I think small fuel efficient cars ARE the future, and large cars will shortly become a thing of the past. We are seeing, I think (hope?) the end of large vehicles. Yeah, there are holdouts, and haulers for commercial use will always be here, but I can't think of anything that would get me into something larger than my coupe. Mostly I ride a 2-wheeled BMW where multi-child pick and delivery is not imposed on me. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: the-hound@juno.com To: bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Hello:This one I would buy in a convertible.............I have been looking for a 2006 Cooper S White, Silver or Red with a tan or burgundy interior 6 speed. http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests.html?partner=yahoofpThe-Hound......Have a nice day and weekend. ____________________________________________________________ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. _______________________________________________Please edit the length of repliesBMWCSRegistry mailing listBMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.nethttp://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistryThe Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! ____________________________________________________________ Click for free home mortgage rates from top companies. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3m36jwJEpueU7yAmMtPFWu8M72XEn6zPdwkEWAlBIiRKqauz/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080720/95ae1b17/attachment-0001.html From T.Taklo at shell.com Sun Jul 20 18:59:05 2008 From: T.Taklo at shell.com (T.Taklo@shell.com) Date: Sun Jul 20 18:58:27 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone In-Reply-To: <8CAB8BA903C6904-12A4-2ACC@WEBMAIL-MA03.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: <286264B2476A144C90458AA0C034AADF58C4AC@houic-s-03343.americas.shell.com> First of all, I realize that fans of the Classic Coupes might not be very interested in modern diesel cars (which on top of everything are only available in Europe - at least for the time being). You can safely delete this message straight away if that's the case. Apologies for filling up your inboxes. Will a diesel version of a particular body style get 20-25% better fuel economy than the comparable gas version? Definitely. In addition you get a lot more torque. Example: 520i 2.0 liter 4 cylinder, 170 HP @ 6,700 rpm / 210 Nm (153 ft-lbf) @ 4,250 rpm 520d 2.0 liter 4 cylinder, 177 HP @ 4,000 rpm / 350 Nm (256 f-lbf) @ 1,750 rpm The diesel version is getting 24% better mileage for the mixed cycle (20% better for highway / 30% better for city) and is more powerful. The new car price difference is ~5%. The used car price difference will favor the diesel version (lower consumption and more durable engine). In Europe the diesel is typically 5-10% more expensive than the gas. This is why the majority of new BMWs sold in Europe are diesels. When the dynamics of supply/demand get to work on this for a while, the price difference between gas and diesel should be minimal. There's been nothing less than a revolution in diesel engine design over the last few years. The good(?) old Mercedes 200D W123 from the 70' and 80' had 54-59 HP and 83 ft-lbf of torque from a 2 liter 4 cyl engine. Compare that to the 520d above. A power & torque increase of over 200%, lowered consumption and cleaner emissions. Today, the top performing BMW engine (in terms of torque) is NOT the 5.0 liter V10 in the M5/M6 (380 ft-lbf @ 6,100 rpm). It's the 3.0 liter straight six diesel (found in the 3/5/6/7/X3/X5/X6-series) with 423 ft-lbs @ 1,750 rpm. And it's not only the high-reving nature of the M's causing this - the 535d has got 15% more torque that the "top-of-the-line" 6.0 liter V8 Silverado pick-up truck (375 ft-lbf @ 4,300 rpm). Tor '74 3.0 CS (180 HP @ 6,000 rpm / 188 ft-lbf @ 3,700 rpm - a lot less than today's 1.8 diesel......) PS: The closest you'll get to a 700 in today's BMW fleet would be a 116i 3-door (122 HP). It is less than half the price of the US favorite; the 135i coupe. -----Original Message----- From: cgshawaii@netscape.net [mailto:cgshawaii@netscape.net] Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 3:02 PM To: Taklo, Tor SIEP-EPT-WD Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Good list, good point. My thought about this is that I hoped, when the USA mandated "clean diesel" fuel, that all sorts of interesting cars might arrive. Moments later, the price of diesel (and gas) shot through the roof, and diesel seems to now command a 20% to 25% price premium. Do the diesel versions of a particular body type get 20-25% better fuel economy than the comparable gas version? Perhaps not, and when you factor that they may be rather more expensive, I think the time for diesel may have passed UNLESS one can develop a low-cost biodiesel source. Anyone got a friend with a restaurant that does a lot of fat frying? Perhaps MacDonald's owners will soon have a lot of new "friends". I'm not calling doom and gloom, I expect there will always be petroleum-based fuel for those who can pay for it. But our transportation needs are not going to change as fast as we would like, and alternative technologies even more slowly. This creates opportunities, but imposes compromises. I am amused by the several versions of motorcycle-powered cars (search 'em out on Youtube), but they too are missing the point, being focused on performance rather than the potential of fuel-efficient transportation. Too, liter-class bikes get mileage figures close the the more efficient hybrid technologies, so that may not be a useful direction to pursue. Now if I could just find a sorted BMW 700, or an Isetta... Charlie -----Original Message----- From: T.Taklo@shell.com To: cgshawaii@netscape.net Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Fri, 18 Jul 2008 6:21 pm Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Charlie, BMW is building fuel efficient cars - they are just not bringing them to the US. A few months ago a friend of mine postulated that "there's not a German car in existance that gets 35 MPG... much less an ability to AVERAGE that across the entire fleet..." I took the time to go through the bmw.de web site, and here's what I came up with: The following BMWs are getting 35 mpg or more according to EU mixed driving cycle: 535 d auto 530 d x (4WD) 530 d 530 d Touring 525 d x 525 d 525 d Touring 520 d (46 mpg!) 520 d Touring 520 i 335 d auto 330 d x 330 d 330 d Touring 325 d 325 d Touring 320 d (49 mpg!!) 318 d (50 mpg!!!) 320 i 320 i Touring 318 i 318 i Touring (as well as coupes and cabrios for all the above 3's) 123 d 120 d 118 d 120 i 118 i 116 i X3 2.0 d 635d almost made it: 34 mpg (mixed cycle) I understand that BMW will be introducing a couple of diesels in the US by the end of the year, but they seem reluctant to bring the "less powerful" models to the US market. No wonder that the 1-series is expensive when the smallest engine offered is a 3 liter with well over 200 HP.... I'm sure the BMW marketing executives are monitoring the market carefully at the moment, given the increasing fuel prices. Maybe we'll se lighter and more fuel efficient BMWs in the US as well in the near future. Tor 74 3.0 CS -----Original Message----- From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net]On Behalf Of cgshawaii@netscape.net Sent: Friday, July 18, 2008 6:40 PM To: the-hound@juno.com; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Okay.... but with BMW's penchant for "customer engineering" (some latent, potentially very expensive, flaw in each model) what might the first-generation electric Mini do to its owner? "Break My Wallet". I thought the gas Mini was kinda heavy for a "small" car, though I don't recall hard numbers. Electric power wouldn't go well with that. And, of course, BMW WILL NOT build an economy car... look what happened with the 1 series, base price upwards of $30K... and not a fuel efficient motor in it, either. Apparently they have utterly conceded that market to others. Well, it's their choice. Brand loyalty will only carry so far, but I think they've gone beyond that too, marketing and selling to ego-driven buyers for whom a car purchase doesn't represent a major expense. I think small fuel efficient cars ARE the future, and large cars will shortly become a thing of the past. We are seeing, I think (hope?) the end of large vehicles. Yeah, there are holdouts, and haulers for commercial use will always be here, but I can't think of anything that would get me into something larger than my coupe. Mostly I ride a 2-wheeled BMW where multi-child pick and delivery is not imposed on me. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: the-hound@juno.com To: bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Hello: This one I would buy in a convertible.............I have been looking for a 2006 Cooper S White, Silver or Red with a tan or burgundy interior 6 speed. http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests.html?partner=yahoofp The-Hound......Have a nice day and weekend. ____________________________________________________________ Hotel pics, info and virtual tours. Click here to book a hotel online. _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry _____ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now! _____ The Famous, the Infamous, the Lame - in your browser. Get the TMZ Toolbar Now ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080720/f6d88cfb/attachment-0001.html From dad at rblcpa.com Sun Jul 20 22:21:41 2008 From: dad at rblcpa.com (Doug Dowling) Date: Sun Jul 20 21:25:06 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: BMWCSRegistry Digest, Vol 52, Issue 14 Message-ID: <4883AC66020000860000BDA8@NSERVER.RBLCPA.COM> Don't apologize. I've owned my classic coupe for nearly twenty years but do have a keen interest in obtaining a fuel-efficient car (which the coupe is not, and my back up car is an e-type!). My daughter has crossed the country in her diesel jetta with B100 fuel she brews herself in her home-grown "still" (she piles 4 or5 5-gallon jugs of the stuff in her back seat to keep movin). I was appalled when visiting Rome last year to realize how many vehicles are diesel or simarly fuel-efficient gas, to be reminded of the general lack of availability of such vehicles in the US. Now that BMW is thinking of bringing a diesel across the pond it will be overpowered and overpriced......how do you spell VW??? Doug Douglas A. 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URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080721/89bb2b06/attachment.html From hoparch at mindspring.com Mon Jul 21 15:38:10 2008 From: hoparch at mindspring.com (Mike Hopkins) Date: Mon Jul 21 14:32:04 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4884D792.5000608@mindspring.com> I get similar results in my 99 540i Sport with 6-speed manual. 17-20 around town. Super car. Mike Hopkins (new member) Atlanta, GA '74 3.0CS- Dan Erwin's old car- see Roundel Aug'04 & Aug '00 if interested... JamesChapa@aol.com wrote: > My "new" 2001 740i Sport, with 110,000 miles, gets 27mpg highway, > cruising all day, well above posted limits. My city driver is a pair > of Nikes to the Metra Station. > > jim > After sorting out some minor issues, it cost about 12.5k. Can't touch > that. > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse > Fantasy Football today > . > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Please edit the length of replies >BMWCSRegistry mailing list >BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net >http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080721/4926dde2/attachment.html From cgshawaii at netscape.net Mon Jul 21 23:15:01 2008 From: cgshawaii at netscape.net (cgshawaii@netscape.net) Date: Mon Jul 21 22:14:33 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8CAB9B7E13AD6CF-B68-5C00@webmail-nb06.sysops.aol.com> Yeah, my '87 735i got 26 mpg when doing 85.? But it only got 11 in town, and I live work eat and sleep in town, so the overall average was about 13 mpg. Nice car, though. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: JamesChapa@aol.com To: BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Mon, 21 Jul 2008 8:14 am Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone My "new" 2001 740i Sport, with 110,000 miles, gets 27mpg highway, cruising all day, well above posted limits.? My city driver is a pair of Nikes to the Metra Station. ? jim???? After sorting out some minor issues, it cost about?12.5k.? Can't touch that. Get fantasy football with free live scoring. Sign up for FanHouse Fantasy Football today. _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080721/ad7e7562/attachment.html From art at bmwcsregistry.org Fri Jul 25 13:38:18 2008 From: art at bmwcsregistry.org (Art Wegweiser) Date: Fri Jul 25 12:37:58 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BMW Out Everyone In-Reply-To: <8CAB746C1F469F8-E58-1DF4@webmail-nb12.sysops.aol.com> References: <20080717.213552.6333.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> <8CAB746C1F469F8-E58-1DF4@webmail-nb12.sysops.aol.com> Message-ID: Well said, Charlie The mini is really a great car to drive and I have but it sure is an unattractive lump. Sort of the progeny of a three way among Yugo/Trabant/Fiat 124. Attempts at modern retro versions of old classics seem to often be terrible. Case in point: that Chrysler Cruiser thing which, in black, looks like a mini hearse. No wonder they refuse to put the BMW logo on the mini. But - many of us do not live in the paradise of pineapples and lovely brown maidens. Two wheeled BMW's don't always work here in the land of blizzards (but no volcanoes, earthquakes, wild fires, droughts, floods. landslides and the last tornado came through about 15 years ago) and they are certainly not a low cost ride to buy. I can get a lot of fuel for my Coupe for the price of one of these macho machines. And not being fond of pain, I prefer some steel between my personal self and the road. Anybody notice a recent ad from BMW where special deals are being offered on the X3 and X5? Funny thing - surely the Ultimate isn't having trouble unloading these monsters? Art - reveling in 75F summer and real tomatoes while it lasts in NW PA. At 7:40 PM -0400 7/18/08, cgshawaii@netscape.net wrote: >Okay.... but with BMW's penchant for "customer engineering" (some >latent, potentially very expensive, flaw in each model) what might >the first-generation electric Mini do to its owner? > >"Break My Wallet". > >I thought the gas Mini was kinda heavy for a "small" car, though I >don't recall hard numbers. Electric power wouldn't go well with >that. > >And, of course, BMW WILL NOT build an economy car... look what >happened with the 1 series, base price upwards of $30K... and not a >fuel efficient motor in it, either. Apparently they have utterly >conceded that market to others. Well, it's their choice. Brand >loyalty will only carry so far, but I think they've gone beyond that >too, marketing and selling to ego-driven buyers for whom a car >purchase doesn't represent a major expense. > >I think small fuel efficient cars ARE the future, and large cars >will shortly become a thing of the past. We are seeing, I think >(hope?) the end of large vehicles. Yeah, there are holdouts, and >haulers for commercial use will always be here, but I can't think of >anything that would get me into something larger than my coupe. >Mostly I ride a 2-wheeled BMW where multi-child pick and delivery is >not imposed on me. > >Charlie > >-----Original Message----- >From: the-hound@juno.com >To: bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net >Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 3:35 pm >Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone > >Hello: >This one I would buy in a convertible.............I have been >looking for a 2006 Cooper S White, Silver or Red with a tan or >burgundy interior 6 speed. >http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests.html?partner=yahoofp >The-Hound......Have a nice day and weekend. > > -- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://idb.ded.forest.net/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20080725/c984acc1/attachment.html From SDuval at trialgraphix.com Fri Jul 25 14:33:17 2008 From: SDuval at trialgraphix.com (SDuval@trialgraphix.com) Date: Fri Jul 25 13:32:50 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BMW Out Everyone In-Reply-To: Message-ID: My two cents (which are probably worth a whole lot less)... I recently purchased a 2008 Mini Clubman as an "extra" vehicle between my wife and I, and agree it is quirky looking. We'd previously had an Infiniti SUV (gas hog 14/18mpg), and wanted to replace it that had the utility of a small wagon, but got really good mileage. Good luck to anyone looking for a hatchback that is as fun to drive as a Mini, is as reliable or as fun for your kids to hop into, and puts you in a dealership that isn't the mega-seller of a Japanese brand. I've owned VW GTIs, and although I love them, they'll leave you wishing you had something more reliable. The only thing out there that comes close to the Mini in driving fun (according to a few recent articles), is a Mazda Speed3 wagon, and quite honestly... my wife would not want to drive it. Oh, and while Japanese cars are "supposed" to get good gas mileage, the Clubman gets 26/35 mpg, which really embarrasses the Mazda at 18/26 mpg - which is what the Porsche Carrera S gets. Pretty abysmal. Scott '73 3.0 CS "Frances" '06 Porsche Carrera S "Peanut" Mini Clubman - Shared w/the wife who dubbed her "Ladybird" Art Wegweiser To Sent by: cgshawaii@netscape.net, bmwcsregistry-bou the-hound@juno.com, nces@idb.ded.fore bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net st.net cc Subject 07/25/2008 12:38 [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BMW PM Out Everyone Well said, Charlie The mini is really a great car to drive and I have but it sure is an unattractive lump. Sort of the progeny of a three way among Yugo/Trabant/Fiat 124. Attempts at modern retro versions of old classics seem to often be terrible. Case in point: that Chrysler Cruiser thing which, in black, looks like a mini hearse. No wonder they refuse to put the BMW logo on the mini. But - many of us do not live in the paradise of pineapples and lovely brown maidens. Two wheeled BMW's don't always work here in the land of blizzards (but no volcanoes, earthquakes, wild fires, droughts, floods. landslides and the last tornado came through about 15 years ago) and they are certainly not a low cost ride to buy. I can get a lot of fuel for my Coupe for the price of one of these macho machines. And not being fond of pain, I prefer some steel between my personal self and the road. Anybody notice a recent ad from BMW where special deals are being offered on the X3 and X5? Funny thing - surely the Ultimate isn't having trouble unloading these monsters? Art - reveling in 75F summer and real tomatoes while it lasts in NW PA. At 7:40 PM -0400 7/18/08, cgshawaii@netscape.net wrote: Okay.... but with BMW's penchant for "customer engineering" (some latent, potentially very expensive, flaw in each model) what might the first-generation electric Mini do to its owner? "Break My Wallet". I thought the gas Mini was kinda heavy for a "small" car, though I don't recall hard numbers. Electric power wouldn't go well with that. And, of course, BMW WILL NOT build an economy car... look what happened with the 1 series, base price upwards of $30K... and not a fuel efficient motor in it, either. Apparently they have utterly conceded that market to others. Well, it's their choice. Brand loyalty will only carry so far, but I think they've gone beyond that too, marketing and selling to ego-driven buyers for whom a car purchase doesn't represent a major expense. I think small fuel efficient cars ARE the future, and large cars will shortly become a thing of the past. We are seeing, I think (hope?) the end of large vehicles. Yeah, there are holdouts, and haulers for commercial use will always be here, but I can't think of anything that would get me into something larger than my coupe. Mostly I ride a 2-wheeled BMW where multi-child pick and delivery is not imposed on me. Charlie -----Original Message----- From: the-hound@juno.com To: bmwcsregister@idb.dedforest.net; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: Thu, 17 Jul 2008 3:35 pm Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Check This New BWM Out Everyone Hello: This one I would buy in a convertible.............I have been looking for a 2006 Cooper S White, Silver or Red with a tan or burgundy interior 6 speed. http://www.forbesautos.com/news/headlines/2008/july/fadc-bmw-announces-electric-mini-tests.html?partner=yahoofp The-Hound......Have a nice day and weekend. -- _______________________________________________ Please edit the length of replies BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry From webmaster at bmwcsregistry.org Fri Jul 25 19:51:36 2008 From: webmaster at bmwcsregistry.org (Erik Wegweiser) Date: Fri Jul 25 18:51:11 2008 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Planned Maintenance Alert In-Reply-To: <20080717.213552.6333.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> References: <20080717.213552.6333.1@webmail01.vgs.untd.com> Message-ID: Greetings, all: We are in the process of upgrading to a new server. Yay! The BMW CS Registry mailing list, website and classifieds database may be offline, hopefully briefly, starting some time this evening (vague, eh?). For those of you fortunate enough to live in sunny parts of the world, you may want to take this time to get outside for a bit. Thanks! -- Sincerely, Erik -- oo==00==oo Erik Wegweiser, BMW CSRegistry Webmaster