From losgatos_dale at yahoo.com Tue Sep 1 12:51:30 2009 From: losgatos_dale at yahoo.com (Dale B. Phelps) Date: Tue Sep 1 12:49:38 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 2000CS shocks In-Reply-To: <20090901160003.ED44F17BA0E@www.bmwcsregistry.org> Message-ID: <191594.60437.qm@web38106.mail.mud.yahoo.com> I.M.O. your research indicates that your best bet is to get the shocks and cartriges from La Jolla Independent, once you have newly-purchased Bilsteins if they fail the manufacturer rebuilds or replaces them free. PLUS it looks like outright purchase of them from La Jolla is the most coste-effective from the start! ???1. Re: Shock absorbers (Patrick Bryson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:15:25 -0700 From: Patrick Bryson Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Shock absorbers To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I got a few replies and thought I?d share them.? If anyone has any additional useful info, please reply. One list member suggested that my shocks could be rebuilt.? I contacted Koni through their website.? This is their reply:? ?Yes, if you have Konis on the car, they should be able to be rebuilt.? The cost is typically about $180-200/each to have done depending on their condition.? Thanks.? Gordon? La Jolla Independent replied:? ?I have Bilstein? make shocks for the old 4 door cars twice a year. Front 175.00$ each, rear 115.00 each?? They confirmed that the 2000CS uses the same shocks as the 4 door. Bavarian Autosport Web Services replied: ?These are a pretty rare car these days and I had to do a little digging on this. Both our aftermarket suppliers for shocks (Sachs and Bilstein) have long since discontinued their shocks and struts for this model car. But they are still available by special order from BMW. They aren't cheap though. The front strut inserts are $301.95 each and the rear shocks are $435.95 each. Special orders can be placed either from our sales agents by phone or by entering the exact part number into the search box using our online store. The front insert is part number 31 32 1 112 602 and the rear shock is part number 33 52 1 104 199. These are not available in the US so if you do place an order they will need to come from Germany. BMW does have them in Germany so delivery would likely take 3-4 weeks.? On 8/28/09 12:42 PM, "Patrick Bryson" wrote: > I need to replace the shocks and struts on my ?67 2000CS.? This is the first > time I will have bought parts for this car and would appreciate suggestions as > to where I can buy these.? Are these parts unique this car or are they common > to the 2002 or other model? > > Thank you, > Patrick > Phoenix AZ > > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090831/bb54f271/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry End of BMWCSRegistry Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 ******************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090901/926cd562/attachment.html From peter.midwest at midwestbicycleworks.com Tue Sep 1 13:09:14 2009 From: peter.midwest at midwestbicycleworks.com (Peter) Date: Tue Sep 1 13:07:26 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 2000CS shocks Message-ID: <200909011309140505@1494325487> Plus I have only had pleasureable shopping experiences with them. Peter ------- Original Message ------- From: "Dale B. Phelps" To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Sent: 9/1/09, 12:51:30 PM Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 2000CS shocks I.M.O. your research indicates that your best bet is to get the shocks and cartriges from La Jolla Independent, once you have newly-purchased Bilsteins if they fail the manufacturer rebuilds or replaces them free. PLUS it looks like outright purchase of them from La Jolla is the most coste-effective from the start! ???1. Re: Shock absorbers (Patrick Bryson) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:15:25 -0700 From: Patrick Bryson Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Shock absorbers To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" I got a few replies and thought I?d share them.? If anyone has any additional useful info, please reply. One list member suggested that my shocks could be rebuilt.? I contacted Koni through their website.? This is their reply:? ?Yes, if you have Konis on the car, they should be able to be rebuilt.? The cost is typically about $180-200/each to have done depending on their condition.? Thanks.? Gordon? La Jolla Independent replied:? ?I have Bilstein? make shocks for the old 4 door cars twice a year. Front 175.00$ each, rear 115.00 each?? They confirmed that the 2000CS uses the same shocks as the 4 door. Bavarian Autosport Web Services replied: ?These are a pretty rare car these days and I had to do a little digging on this. Both our aftermarket suppliers for shocks (Sachs and Bilstein) have long since discontinued their shocks and struts for this model car. But they are still available by special order from BMW. They aren't cheap though. The front strut inserts are $301.95 each and the rear shocks are $435.95 each. Special orders can be placed either from our sales agents by phone or by entering the exact part number into the search box using our online store. The front insert is part number 31 32 1 112 602 and the rear shock is part number 33 52 1 104 199. These are not available in the US so if you do place an order they will need to come from Germany. BMW does have them in Germany so delivery would likely take 3-4 weeks.? On 8/28/09 12:42 PM, "Patrick Bryson" wrote: > I need to replace the shocks and struts on my ?67 2000CS.? This is the first > time I will have bought parts for this car and would appreciate suggestions as > to where I can buy these.? Are these parts unique this car or are they common > to the 2002 or other model? > > Thank you, > Patrick > Phoenix AZ > > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090831/bb54f271/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry End of BMWCSRegistry Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 ******************************************** From wbraveheartw at comcast.net Tue Sep 1 19:08:32 2009 From: wbraveheartw at comcast.net (bill wallace) Date: Tue Sep 1 19:06:41 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 2000CS shocks In-Reply-To: <200909011309140505@1494325487> References: <200909011309140505@1494325487> Message-ID: <18b8b2ebf71bf4642c9aa6b545398bed@comcast.net> La Jolla Independent will give good results...my only experience with them to date was to buy sun visor clips, of which they have a supply, not cheap, but worth it. Plus, if you are ever in San Diego, you must go to their place. For BMW Coupe owners, and 2000 CS and 3200 CS owners, the place is heaven on Earth. And they will answer all your dumb questions, while working on somebody's mega-buck restoration...drool, drool. Bill 4310008, Webers On Sep 1, 2009, at 1:09 PM, Peter wrote: > Plus I have only had pleasureable shopping experiences with them. > > Peter > > ------- Original Message ------- > From: "Dale B. Phelps" > To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > Sent: 9/1/09, 12:51:30 PM > Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: 2000CS shocks > I.M.O. your research indicates that your best bet is to get the shocks > and cartriges from La Jolla Independent, once you have newly-purchased > Bilsteins if they fail the manufacturer rebuilds or replaces them > free. PLUS it looks like outright purchase of them from La Jolla is > the most coste-effective from the start! > > > > ???1. Re: Shock absorbers (Patrick Bryson) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 31 Aug 2009 14:15:25 -0700 > From: Patrick Bryson > Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] Shock absorbers > To: > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > > I got a few replies and thought I?d share them.? If anyone has any > additional useful info, please reply. > > One list member suggested that my shocks could be rebuilt.? I > contacted Koni > through their website.? This is their reply:? ?Yes, if you have Konis > on the > car, they should be able to be rebuilt.? The cost is typically about > $180-200/each to have done depending on their condition.? Thanks.? > Gordon? > > La Jolla Independent replied:? ?I have Bilstein? make shocks for the > old 4 > door cars twice a year. Front 175.00$ each, > rear 115.00 each?? They confirmed that the 2000CS uses the same shocks > as > the 4 door. > > Bavarian Autosport Web Services replied: > > ?These are a pretty rare car these days and I had to do a little > digging on > this. Both our aftermarket suppliers for shocks (Sachs and Bilstein) > have > long since discontinued their shocks and struts for this model car. > But they > are still available by special order from BMW. They aren't cheap > though. The > front strut inserts are $301.95 each and the rear shocks are $435.95 > each. > Special orders can be placed either from our sales agents by phone or > by > entering the exact part number into the search box using our online > store. > The front insert is part number 31 32 1 112 602 and the rear shock is > part > number 33 52 1 104 199. These are not available in the US so if you do > place > an order they will need to come from Germany. BMW does have them in > Germany > so delivery would likely take 3-4 weeks.? > > > > > > On 8/28/09 12:42 PM, "Patrick Bryson" wrote: > >> I need to replace the shocks and struts on my ?67 2000CS.? This is >> the first >> time I will have bought parts for this car and would appreciate >> suggestions as >> to where I can buy these.? Are these parts unique this car or are >> they common >> to the 2002 or other model? >> >> Thank you, >> Patrick >> Phoenix AZ >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Please edit the length of replies >> BMWCSRegistry mailing list >> BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net >> http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/ > 20090831/bb54f271/attachment-0001.html > > ------------------------------ > > _______________________________________________ > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > > End of BMWCSRegistry Digest, Vol 66, Issue 1 > ******************************************** > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > From bobby.g.aycock at smithbarney.com Fri Sep 4 15:37:27 2009 From: bobby.g.aycock at smithbarney.com (Aycock, Bobby G ) Date: Fri Sep 4 15:35:24 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] alpina wheels Message-ID: <8FEFC45154672546AC033C5F0DF6E8B308088DB9@EXRNJMB04.nam.nsroot.net> Looking for an exhaust system for a 1974 3.0 CS. Any ideas ? Bobby G Aycock Sr. Vice President - Wealth Management Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC Recently, the Global Wealth Management Group of Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and the Smith Barney division of Citigroup Global Markets Inc. combined into Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC, a new investment advisor and broker/dealer registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The URL on this e-mail is not indicative of the sender's employer. -----Original Message----- From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Bortolussi Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:45 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] alpina wheels Hi all, I have a set of alpina wheels - 16x7 - ET11 & 16x8 - ET24 rear. Would any of you know if these should fit with 205/55 R16's on the 3.0cs without any special modifications? I seem to be having trouble with the offset on the front, as the fender rubs. My car has been lowered a bit in the front, as spacers were removed from the shock tower. Thanks, Joe -------------------------------------------------------------- It is important that you do not use e-mail to request, authorize or effect the purchase or sale of any security or commodity, to send fund transfer instructions, or to effect any other transactions. Any such request, orders, or instructions that you send will not be accepted and will not be processed by Morgan Stanley Smith Barney. Recently, the Global Wealth Management Group of Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and the Smith Barney division of Citigroup Global Markets Inc. combined into Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC, a new investment advisor and broker/dealer registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The URL on this e-mail is not indicative of the sender's employer. -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090904/afeb0a3d/attachment.html From robertkort at chartermi.net Mon Sep 7 08:15:48 2009 From: robertkort at chartermi.net (Robert Kort) Date: Mon Sep 7 08:13:39 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] alpina wheels In-Reply-To: <8FEFC45154672546AC033C5F0DF6E8B308088DB9@EXRNJMB04.nam.nsroot.net> Message-ID: I have he same set-up with the same issues. Don't turn to sharp when parking and go slow on speed bumps. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Aycock, Bobby G Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:37 PM To: Joseph Bortolussi; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] alpina wheels Looking for an exhaust system for a 1974 3.0 CS. Any ideas ? Bobby G Aycock Sr. Vice President - Wealth Management Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC Recently, the Global Wealth Management Group of Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and the Smith Barney division of Citigroup Global Markets Inc. combined into Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC, a new investment advisor and broker/dealer registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The URL on this e-mail is not indicative of the sender's employer. -----Original Message----- From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Joseph Bortolussi Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:45 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] alpina wheels Hi all, I have a set of alpina wheels - 16x7 - ET11 & 16x8 - ET24 rear. Would any of you know if these should fit with 205/55 R16's on the 3.0cs without any special modifications? I seem to be having trouble with the offset on the front, as the fender rubs. My car has been lowered a bit in the front, as spacers were removed from the shock tower. Thanks, Joe -------------------------------------------------------------- It is important that you do not use e-mail to request, authorize or effect the purchase or sale of any security or commodity, to send fund transfer instructions, or to effect any other transactions. Any such request, orders, or instructions that you send will not be accepted and will not be processed by Morgan Stanley Smith Barney. Recently, the Global Wealth Management Group of Morgan Stanley & Co. Incorporated and the Smith Barney division of Citigroup Global Markets Inc. combined into Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC, a new investment advisor and broker/dealer registered with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The URL on this e-mail is not indicative of the sender's employer. -------------------------------------------------------------- -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090907/af18b3c8/attachment.html From hoparch at mindspring.com Mon Sep 7 12:59:21 2009 From: hoparch at mindspring.com (Mike Hopkins) Date: Mon Sep 7 12:57:06 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Re: Exhaust system In-Reply-To: <8FEFC45154672546AC033C5F0DF6E8B308088DB9@EXRNJMB04.nam.nsroot.net> References: <8FEFC45154672546AC033C5F0DF6E8B308088DB9@EXRNJMB04.nam.nsroot.net> Message-ID: <70D04F33-761D-473F-A92B-5DC6122855E6@mindspring.com> My exhaust experience... About 4 years ago I bought a muffler, tailpipe, front & rear resonators and an installation kit from Bavarian Autosport. Basically, everything from the header pipe flange back. It was around $650. The installation kit included a bunch of clamps intended to secure the pipes together. I didn't like the idea of clamping all this stuff together, so I used this as an excuse to buy an inexpensive wire-feed welder. I dropped the old system and used it as a template for the new one- measuring the angles or each piece. I welded the joints one at a time, first tacking, rechecking the angles, and then finishing the welding. The new system fit right in and has worked perfectly ever since. The metal welded easily- I'm sure you could get a muffler shop or a buddy with a welder to help out. Good luck! Mike Hopkins '74 3.0 CS '99 540i On Sep 4, 2009, at 3:37 PM, Aycock, Bobby G wrote: > Looking for an exhaust system for a 1974 3.0 CS. Any ideas ? > > > Bobby G Aycock > Sr. Vice President - Wealth Management > Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC > > Recently, the Global Wealth Management Group of Morgan Stanley & Co. > Incorporated and the Smith Barney division of Citigroup Global > Markets Inc. combined into Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC, a new > investment advisor and broker/dealer registered with the Securities > and Exchange Commission. The URL on this e-mail is not indicative of > the sender?s employer. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net > ] On Behalf Of Joseph Bortolussi > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:45 PM > To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] alpina wheels > > Hi all, > > I have a set of alpina wheels - 16x7 - ET11 & 16x8 - ET24 rear. > > Would any of you know if these should fit with 205/55 R16's on the > 3.0cs without any special modifications? I seem to be having > trouble with the offset on the front, as the fender rubs. My car > has been lowered a bit in the front, as spacers were removed from > the shock tower. > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > It is important that you do not use e-mail to request, authorize > or effect the purchase or sale of any security or commodity, to > send fund transfer instructions, or to effect any other transactions. > Any such request, orders, or instructions that you send will not be > accepted and will not be processed by Morgan Stanley Smith Barney. > > Recently, the Global Wealth Management Group of Morgan Stanley & Co. > Incorporated > and the Smith Barney division of Citigroup Global Markets > Inc. combined into Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC, a new investment > advisor and broker/dealer registered with the Securities and Exchange > Commission. The URL on this e-mail is not indicative of the sender's > employer. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry Mike Hopkins 404-841-9482 hoparch@mindspring.com HOPARCH, LLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090907/604f2276/attachment.html From hoparch at mindspring.com Mon Sep 7 13:08:06 2009 From: hoparch at mindspring.com (Mike Hopkins) Date: Mon Sep 7 13:05:51 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] alpina wheels In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I have lowering springs and 16x7 wheels too, and had the rubbing issue. I had to have spacers made to raise the car enough to not rub (5/8" front spacers in my case). You may have to put yours back in. Mike Hopkins Atlanta, GA '74 3.0 CS '99 540i On Sep 7, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Robert Kort wrote: > I have he same set-up with the same issues. Don?t turn to sharp when > parking and go slow on speed bumps. > > From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net > ] On Behalf Of Aycock, Bobby G > Sent: Friday, September 04, 2009 3:37 PM > To: Joseph Bortolussi; bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] alpina wheels > > Looking for an exhaust system for a 1974 3.0 CS. Any ideas ? > > > Bobby G Aycock > Sr. Vice President - Wealth Management > Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC > > Recently, the Global Wealth Management Group of Morgan Stanley & Co. > Incorporated and the Smith Barney division of Citigroup Global > Markets Inc. combined into Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC, a new > investment advisor and broker/dealer registered with the Securities > and Exchange Commission. The URL on this e-mail is not indicative of > the sender?s employer. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net > ] On Behalf Of Joseph Bortolussi > Sent: Saturday, August 22, 2009 8:45 PM > To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] alpina wheels > > Hi all, > > I have a set of alpina wheels - 16x7 - ET11 & 16x8 - ET24 rear. > > Would any of you know if these should fit with 205/55 R16's on the > 3.0cs without any special modifications? I seem to be having > trouble with the offset on the front, as the fender rubs. My car > has been lowered a bit in the front, as spacers were removed from > the shock tower. > > Thanks, > > Joe > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------- > It is important that you do not use e-mail to request, authorize > or effect the purchase or sale of any security or commodity, to > send fund transfer instructions, or to effect any other transactions. > Any such request, orders, or instructions that you send will not be > accepted and will not be processed by Morgan Stanley Smith Barney. > > Recently, the Global Wealth Management Group of Morgan Stanley & Co. > Incorporated > and the Smith Barney division of Citigroup Global Markets > Inc. combined into Morgan Stanley Smith Barney LLC, a new investment > advisor and broker/dealer registered with the Securities and Exchange > Commission. The URL on this e-mail is not indicative of the sender's > employer. > -------------------------------------------------------------- > _______________________________________________ > Please edit the length of replies > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry Mike Hopkins 404-841-9482 hoparch@mindspring.com HOPARCH, LLC -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090907/1529568d/attachment-0001.html From tcolt at netzero.com Thu Sep 10 15:53:05 2009 From: tcolt at netzero.com (t colitt) Date: Thu Sep 10 15:50:36 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Message-ID: <20C1F0DCE6B645EF8EE9A17A016773B1@tomcat2PC> Hi I am finding oil inside the bottom of my distributor. It is enough that it leaks out the screw holes of the body and exits the distributor housing onto the engine. At first I thought it was a leaking o-ring seal on the shaft of the distributor going into the opening in the timing cover, but I replaced that and it is definitely coming from inside the engine and the oil is travelling up into the distributor housing where the centrifugal governor sits.. Is this normal? Thanks, Tom ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYSwrCbHXuSnygaIOftIQAcmRoN9vY7zWJkBYRAsdXj8DxF0ZnY6lS/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090910/20b347a5/attachment.html From tcolt at netzero.com Fri Sep 11 04:48:58 2009 From: tcolt at netzero.com (t colitt) Date: Fri Sep 11 04:46:40 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor In-Reply-To: <477B3C71878043B3BAAF90CA88463316@BMWW001> References: <20C1F0DCE6B645EF8EE9A17A016773B1@tomcat2PC> <477B3C71878043B3BAAF90CA88463316@BMWW001> Message-ID: <77512D05546D4A9782F51189CA1CAC0C@tomcat2PC> Thanks George That sounds reasonable although I can't say that I've noticed any lateral play.(also, maybe because the timing on my setup is controlled by a Motronic ECU) Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:15 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor There are upper and lower bronze bushings for the center shaft - these can wear and allow the oil past. The shaft has a spiral groove where the bushings ride to distribute the oil, and the threading should direct the oil back down. Grab the shaft and see if you can feel play side to side. I used VW repair kit on mine, but that was many years ago. The phenolic washer between body and shaft tends to disappear, leaving only the metal shims - causing up and down play which makes setting timing accurately almost impossible. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:53 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Hi I am finding oil inside the bottom of my distributor. It is enough that it leaks out the screw holes of the body and exits the distributor housing onto the engine. At first I thought it was a leaking o-ring seal on the shaft of the distributor going into the opening in the timing cover, but I replaced that and it is definitely coming from inside the engine and the oil is travelling up into the distributor housing where the centrifugal governor sits.. Is this normal? Thanks, Tom ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090911/0f4c3c8d/attachment.html From tcolt at netzero.com Sat Sep 12 00:12:05 2009 From: tcolt at netzero.com (t colitt) Date: Sat Sep 12 00:12:59 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor In-Reply-To: <81951F55E55F40D097D0971F2E9538CE@BMWW001> References: <20C1F0DCE6B645EF8EE9A17A016773B1@tomcat2PC><477B3C71878043B3BAAF90CA88463316@BMWW001> <77512D05546D4A9782F51189CA1CAC0C@tomcat2PC> <81951F55E55F40D097D0971F2E9538CE@BMWW001> Message-ID: Yes Carlos. Good call. I'm using it only as a spark pointer.. Interesting and suprising how far you can rotate the distributor out of "time" without changing the spark timing. Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:00 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Thought you had a regular distributor since you said centrifugal..unless you gutted it and are simply using it as a spark pointer. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:49 AM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Thanks George That sounds reasonable although I can't say that I've noticed any lateral play.(also, maybe because the timing on my setup is controlled by a Motronic ECU) Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:15 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor There are upper and lower bronze bushings for the center shaft - these can wear and allow the oil past. The shaft has a spiral groove where the bushings ride to distribute the oil, and the threading should direct the oil back down. Grab the shaft and see if you can feel play side to side. I used VW repair kit on mine, but that was many years ago. The phenolic washer between body and shaft tends to disappear, leaving only the metal shims - causing up and down play which makes setting timing accurately almost impossible. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:53 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Hi I am finding oil inside the bottom of my distributor. It is enough that it leaks out the screw holes of the body and exits the distributor housing onto the engine. At first I thought it was a leaking o-ring seal on the shaft of the distributor going into the opening in the timing cover, but I replaced that and it is definitely coming from inside the engine and the oil is travelling up into the distributor housing where the centrifugal governor sits.. Is this normal? Thanks, Tom ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090911/f8dd665e/attachment.html From kevinhill at wavecable.com Sat Sep 12 01:31:45 2009 From: kevinhill at wavecable.com (Kevin Hill) Date: Sat Sep 12 01:31:28 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] 14" Wheels & Tires for Sale - Seattle Area Message-ID: I have a set of (4) 7x14" basketweave alloys with 185/70-14 Dunlop D60-A2 tires. The wheels are Enkei brand. The tires are in very good shape as are the wheels - They were on a '70 2800CS. The car ran smooth and true with them. I took a look and didn't hardly see a mark on the wheels at all. The center is black with the lip polished - relatively easy to keep clean. I'm in the Seattle area. Prefer local pick-up (although I do get around all over the Puget Sound area) $600 / obo Pics available upon request- Kevin kevinhill - at - wavecable - dot- com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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When replying to this digest, please edit out extraneous text _______________________________________________ Today's Topics: 1. RE: oil in distributor (t colitt) 2. 14" Wheels & Tires for Sale - Seattle Area (Kevin Hill) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 21:12:05 -0700 From: "t colitt" Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Yes Carlos. Good call. I'm using it only as a spark pointer.. Interesting and suprising how far you can rotate the distributor out of "time" without changing the spark timing. Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:00 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Thought you had a regular distributor since you said centrifugal..unless you gutted it and are simply using it as a spark pointer. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:49 AM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Thanks George That sounds reasonable although I can't say that I've noticed any lateral play.(also, maybe because the timing on my setup is controlled by a Motronic ECU) Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:15 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor There are upper and lower bronze bushings for the center shaft - these can wear and allow the oil past. The shaft has a spiral groove where the bushings ride to distribute the oil, and the threading should direct the oil back down. Grab the shaft and see if you can feel play side to side. I used VW repair kit on mine, but that was many years ago. The phenolic washer between body and shaft tends to disappear, leaving only the metal shims - causing up and down play which makes setting timing accurately almost impossible. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:53 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Hi I am finding oil inside the bottom of my distributor. It is enough that it leaks out the screw holes of the body and exits the distributor housing onto the engine. At first I thought it was a leaking o-ring seal on the shaft of the distributor going into the opening in the timing cover, but I replaced that and it is definitely coming from inside the engine and the oil is travelling up into the distributor housing where the centrifugal governor sits.. Is this normal? Thanks, Tom ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090911/f8dd665e/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Fri, 11 Sep 2009 22:31:45 -0700 From: "Kevin Hill" Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] 14" Wheels & Tires for Sale - Seattle Area To: Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" I have a set of (4) 7x14" basketweave alloys with 185/70-14 Dunlop D60-A2 tires. The wheels are Enkei brand. The tires are in very good shape as are the wheels - They were on a '70 2800CS. The car ran smooth and true with them. I took a look and didn't hardly see a mark on the wheels at all. The center is black with the lip polished - relatively easy to keep clean. I'm in the Seattle area. Prefer local pick-up (although I do get around all over the Puget Sound area) $600 / obo Pics available upon request- Kevin kevinhill - at - wavecable - dot- com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090911/1627368c/attachment-0001.html ------------------------------ _______________________________________________ BMWCSRegistry mailing list BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry End of BMWCSRegistry Digest, Vol 66, Issue 7 ******************************************** Paul M. 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If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by return email and destroy this communication and all copies thereof, including all attachments. From tcolt at netzero.com Sat Sep 12 15:30:58 2009 From: tcolt at netzero.com (t colitt) Date: Sat Sep 12 15:30:58 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) In-Reply-To: <18D79C9BA69946E7B841D8289F61E86C@BMWW001> References: <20C1F0DCE6B645EF8EE9A17A016773B1@tomcat2PC><477B3C71878043B3BAAF90CA88463316@BMWW001><77512D05546D4A9782F51189CA1CAC0C@tomcat2PC><81951F55E55F40D097D0971F2E9538CE@BMWW001> <18D79C9BA69946E7B841D8289F61E86C@BMWW001> Message-ID: Hmm, very interesting Carlos. But, I am merely collecting some oil in the bottom of the small diameter distributor (I think .062?) So, I am guessing that the bushing has the correct orientation, just too much clearance. Why are you mentioning the issue of the cap diameters? Angle of rotation is constant on all?... I actually put a spot weld on the centrifugal advance to disable it. Otherwise, I figured the ignition mapping would be all over the place. Maybe I should talk about why the oil in the distributor is bothering me. I have a periodic problem with this otherwise great running 3.5l Motronic/ 3.0 CSi intake manifold engine. Just as I open the throttle under load at idle, there is a very small hesitation, lately even a few misses until the engine pulls through and then runs like a banshee at mid to high revs. I've suspected the following: a corroded wiper contact inside the AFM (don't know if that's typical, but it seems it could wear out?), oxidized connections to AFM, air leaks, and now some oil inside the distributor cap, but after cleaning the cap, it may not me as bad as it was at its worst, but still that nagging hesitation from time to time off idle..I also swapped the AFM for another and after apparently initial improvement, had the same problem.. I might also suspect some temp. sensor since the problem seems to appear/ get worse as the engine gets hotter. I've let this go for over a year of daily driving now, but it's annoying me to the point that I finally want to fix it. Also, because I'm losing expensive synthetic oil.:-) By the way, I also had another oil leak coming from the oil filter neck gasket (or so I thought). Finally, I traced it to a tiny hair line crack in the neck, right around where you would imagine the highest stresses, just around one of the upper mounting bolts.. Thanks, Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:16 AM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Wonder if the centrifugal advance working in the spark pointer minimizes arcing - theorizing that by mirroring somewhat the Motronic advance curve you'd keep the rotor closer to ideal position and lessen possibility of unintentionally phasing firing event to the next cap position given the higher output coil. Are you using the small or large diameter distributor? Would imagine the later larger one, but that's still probably half the Motronic cap diameter. Some years ago we were playing with an aircraft mechanic friend's 2002, putting in an electronic ignition system out of a late 320i. Figured we'd just swap the drive gear - not that easy; centrifugal retard not a good thing (late 320i's spin distributor counter-clockwise) Had to use the 320i shaft for electronics, so put that in the '02 body with the '02 gear....voila! Cranked it up and found we had built an oil pump. Since the spiral in the 320 shaft went in opposite direction, it was pumping oil up and into the distributor. Not just seeping mind you, but flowing out the drainage holes. Never one to give up, we found a VW distributor that used similar electronics and used a shaft with the correct "downwards" orientation spiral for clockwise rotation. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:12 AM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Yes Carlos. Good call. I'm using it only as a spark pointer.. Interesting and suprising how far you can rotate the distributor out of "time" without changing the spark timing. Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:00 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Thought you had a regular distributor since you said centrifugal..unless you gutted it and are simply using it as a spark pointer. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:49 AM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Thanks George That sounds reasonable although I can't say that I've noticed any lateral play.(also, maybe because the timing on my setup is controlled by a Motronic ECU) Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:15 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor There are upper and lower bronze bushings for the center shaft - these can wear and allow the oil past. The shaft has a spiral groove where the bushings ride to distribute the oil, and the threading should direct the oil back down. Grab the shaft and see if you can feel play side to side. I used VW repair kit on mine, but that was many years ago. The phenolic washer between body and shaft tends to disappear, leaving only the metal shims - causing up and down play which makes setting timing accurately almost impossible. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:53 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Hi I am finding oil inside the bottom of my distributor. It is enough that it leaks out the screw holes of the body and exits the distributor housing onto the engine. At first I thought it was a leaking o-ring seal on the shaft of the distributor going into the opening in the timing cover, but I replaced that and it is definitely coming from inside the engine and the oil is travelling up into the distributor housing where the centrifugal governor sits.. Is this normal? Thanks, Tom ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090912/c1dbf469/attachment-0001.html From tcolt at netzero.com Sat Sep 12 17:02:47 2009 From: tcolt at netzero.com (t colitt) Date: Sat Sep 12 17:03:08 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) In-Reply-To: <2C11D490178448DCA17E9198706B541C@BMWW001> References: <20C1F0DCE6B645EF8EE9A17A016773B1@tomcat2PC><477B3C71878043B3BAAF90CA88463316@BMWW001><77512D05546D4A9782F51189CA1CAC0C@tomcat2PC><81951F55E55F40D097D0971F2E9538CE@BMWW001><18D79C9BA69946E7B841D8289F61E86C@BMWW001> <2C11D490178448DCA17E9198706B541C@BMWW001> Message-ID: <495437A930174A5AACF08B1C24675A68@tomcat2PC> Ahh, thanks. That would be some mis-fire. I'll swap in another fuel pressure regulator to make testing easier. As far as I remember, I'm using an l-jet regulator, since it fits the set-up nicely and never noticed that it ran any better/ worse than the correct motronic regulator (3.0bar, I think?) Also, never felt that the throttle position switch made any difference, whether connected or not. It seems like if that is not working it should make a difference, but maybe only at full load?.... _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 1:21 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) Since it is a pretty hot spark, able to jump large distances, the greater the distance between cyl posts on the cap, the less likely to jump to the adjacent post rather than the intended one. If rotor to shaft is constant, conceivably the motronic could fire under acceleration/full advance and the edge of the rotor be closer to the "previous" post. Have you checked the fuel pressure regulator - it should be kicking up the fuel pressure as soon as you open the throttle and reduce control vac. If it isn't that might explain poor response _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 3:31 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) Hmm, very interesting Carlos. But, I am merely collecting some oil in the bottom of the small diameter distributor (I think .062?) So, I am guessing that the bushing has the correct orientation, just too much clearance. Why are you mentioning the issue of the cap diameters? Angle of rotation is constant on all?... I actually put a spot weld on the centrifugal advance to disable it. Otherwise, I figured the ignition mapping would be all over the place. Maybe I should talk about why the oil in the distributor is bothering me. I have a periodic problem with this otherwise great running 3.5l Motronic/ 3.0 CSi intake manifold engine. Just as I open the throttle under load at idle, there is a very small hesitation, lately even a few misses until the engine pulls through and then runs like a banshee at mid to high revs. I've suspected the following: a corroded wiper contact inside the AFM (don't know if that's typical, but it seems it could wear out?), oxidized connections to AFM, air leaks, and now some oil inside the distributor cap, but after cleaning the cap, it may not me as bad as it was at its worst, but still that nagging hesitation from time to time off idle..I also swapped the AFM for another and after apparently initial improvement, had the same problem.. I might also suspect some temp. sensor since the problem seems to appear/ get worse as the engine gets hotter. I've let this go for over a year of daily driving now, but it's annoying me to the point that I finally want to fix it. Also, because I'm losing expensive synthetic oil.:-) By the way, I also had another oil leak coming from the oil filter neck gasket (or so I thought). Finally, I traced it to a tiny hair line crack in the neck, right around where you would imagine the highest stresses, just around one of the upper mounting bolts.. Thanks, Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:16 AM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Wonder if the centrifugal advance working in the spark pointer minimizes arcing - theorizing that by mirroring somewhat the Motronic advance curve you'd keep the rotor closer to ideal position and lessen possibility of unintentionally phasing firing event to the next cap position given the higher output coil. Are you using the small or large diameter distributor? Would imagine the later larger one, but that's still probably half the Motronic cap diameter. Some years ago we were playing with an aircraft mechanic friend's 2002, putting in an electronic ignition system out of a late 320i. Figured we'd just swap the drive gear - not that easy; centrifugal retard not a good thing (late 320i's spin distributor counter-clockwise) Had to use the 320i shaft for electronics, so put that in the '02 body with the '02 gear....voila! Cranked it up and found we had built an oil pump. Since the spiral in the 320 shaft went in opposite direction, it was pumping oil up and into the distributor. Not just seeping mind you, but flowing out the drainage holes. Never one to give up, we found a VW distributor that used similar electronics and used a shaft with the correct "downwards" orientation spiral for clockwise rotation. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:12 AM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Yes Carlos. Good call. I'm using it only as a spark pointer.. Interesting and suprising how far you can rotate the distributor out of "time" without changing the spark timing. Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:00 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Thought you had a regular distributor since you said centrifugal..unless you gutted it and are simply using it as a spark pointer. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:49 AM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Thanks George That sounds reasonable although I can't say that I've noticed any lateral play.(also, maybe because the timing on my setup is controlled by a Motronic ECU) Tom _____ From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:15 PM To: 't colitt' Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor There are upper and lower bronze bushings for the center shaft - these can wear and allow the oil past. The shaft has a spiral groove where the bushings ride to distribute the oil, and the threading should direct the oil back down. Grab the shaft and see if you can feel play side to side. I used VW repair kit on mine, but that was many years ago. The phenolic washer between body and shaft tends to disappear, leaving only the metal shims - causing up and down play which makes setting timing accurately almost impossible. _____ From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:53 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor Hi I am finding oil inside the bottom of my distributor. It is enough that it leaks out the screw holes of the body and exits the distributor housing onto the engine. At first I thought it was a leaking o-ring seal on the shaft of the distributor going into the opening in the timing cover, but I replaced that and it is definitely coming from inside the engine and the oil is travelling up into the distributor housing where the centrifugal governor sits.. Is this normal? Thanks, Tom ____________________________________________________________ Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090912/8fad11a1/attachment-0001.html From bowmangray at mac.com Sat Sep 12 17:09:14 2009 From: bowmangray at mac.com (Bowman Gray) Date: Sat Sep 12 17:10:00 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Paint Message-ID: <91412FF4-1EC7-4983-9A88-A6AF89322D4F@mac.com> OK so its been 2.5 years and 10x the amount of money, etc, etc, etc. But we are getting closer to bringing her home. The color in pictures is a little off, it is actually Malaga. 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Tom -----Original Message----- From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of Bowman Gray Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 2:09 PM To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Paint OK so its been 2.5 years and 10x the amount of money, etc, etc, etc. But we are getting closer to bringing her home. The color in pictures is a little off, it is actually Malaga. BG ____________________________________________________________ Put your loved ones in good hands with quality senior assisted living. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.netzero.net/TGL2241/fc/BLSrjpYWs6wtrDzxsWvGV1gieZYJhYn3ZWm2cgyhLpj5wl3RVfi9SXfvNh2/ From spanlab at entelnet.bo Sat Sep 12 20:04:01 2009 From: spanlab at entelnet.bo (spanlab@entelnet.bo) Date: Sat Sep 12 20:04:06 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) In-Reply-To: References: <20C1F0DCE6B645EF8EE9A17A016773B1@tomcat2PC> <477B3C71878043B3BAAF90CA88463316@BMWW001> <77512D05546D4A9782F51189CA1CAC0C@tomcat2PC> <81951F55E55F40D097D0971F2E9538CE@BMWW001> <18D79C9BA69946E7B841D8289F61E86C@BMWW001> Message-ID: An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://www.bmwcsregistry.org/pipermail/bmwcsregistry/attachments/20090912/a3679391/attachment-0001.html From bmwbits at bellsouth.net Sun Sep 13 19:53:56 2009 From: bmwbits at bellsouth.net (Bill Proud) Date: Sun Sep 13 19:53:51 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] Here's the triple Webers . Message-ID: <93FB97C9FD27425B995EB0142B6AD615@DGNPHLB1> you've been looking for . Need your own manifolds and linkage ... Unless you own a Z http://nashville.craigslist.org/pts/1372669608.html Beepee....unaffiliated , unexpurgated , stapled, folded or ..... From tcolt at netzero.com Sun Sep 13 20:37:20 2009 From: tcolt at netzero.com (t colitt) Date: Sun Sep 13 20:37:26 2009 Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) In-Reply-To: References: <20C1F0DCE6B645EF8EE9A17A016773B1@tomcat2PC> <477B3C71878043B3BAAF90CA88463316@BMWW001> <77512D05546D4A9782F51189CA1CAC0C@tomcat2PC> <81951F55E55F40D097D0971F2E9538CE@BMWW001> <18D79C9BA69946E7B841D8289F61E86C@BMWW001> <44970B39E4CA41668F0C119CA0C3DA7E@tomcat2PC> Message-ID: <13819FDCA87943AAADB433FECFC97FC9@tomcat2PC> Enrique. I think most of these early generations of BMW 6-cylinders only have a piece of rubber tube that connects the valve cover to the throttle body. At least that is how the crankcase vents on the f.i. coupes. Anyway, my engine isn?t so far gone that it would clog that hose up. It?s pretty big... _____ From: spanlab@entelnet.bo [mailto:spanlab@entelnet.bo] Sent: Sunday, September 13, 2009 7:01 AM To: t colitt Subject: Re: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) Tom, you should have either a pcv or a relief nipple. In any case crank ventilation is a must in all combustion engines. IF either clog or fail you will have a significant internal oil pressure rise. Enrique ----- Mensaje original ----- De: t colitt Fecha: S?bado, 12 de Septiembre de 2009, 11:52 pm Asunto: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) A: spanlab@entelnet.bo > Hi Enrique > I never knew my (or other coupes) BMW had a PCV valve? Where is it? > Tom _____ > From: spanlab@entelnet.bo [mailto:spanlab@entelnet.bo] > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 5:04 PM > To: t colitt > Cc: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > Subject: Re: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) > Hello, oil in strange places, sudden leaks are common when PCV vale fails or gets clogged. Since you have a FI engine you should give this a check. Pressure inside the engine increases and shoots oil to places it would not normaly appear. > HTH, Enrique > ----- Mensaje original ----- > De: t colitt > Fecha: S?bado, 12 de Septiembre de 2009, 3:44 pm > Asunto: [BMWCSRegistry] re: firing misses (was oil in distributor) > A: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > > Hmm, very interesting Carlos. But, I am merely collecting some oil in the bottom of the small diameter distributor (I think 062?) So, I am guessing that the bushing has the correct orientation, just too much clearance Why are you mentioning the issue of the cap diameters? Angle of rotation is constant on all?... > > I actually put a spot weld on the centrifugal advance to disable it. Otherwise, I figured the ignition mapping would be all over the place > > Maybe I should talk about why the oil in the distributor is bothering me. I have a periodic problem with this otherwise great running 3.5l Motronic/ 3.0 CSi intake manifold engine. Just as I open the throttle under load at idle, there is a very small hesitation, lately even a few misses until the engine pulls through and then runs like a banshee at mid to high revs. > > I?ve suspected the following: a corroded wiper contact inside the AFM (don?t know if that?s typical, but it seems it could wear out?), oxidized connections to AFM, air leaks, and now some oil inside the distributor cap, but after cleaning the cap, it may not me as bad as it was at its worst, but still that nagging hesitation from time to time off idle .I also swapped the AFM for another and after apparently initial improvement, had the same problem . I might also suspect some temp. sensor since the problem seems to appear/ get worse as the engine gets hotter. I?ve let this go for over a year of daily driving now, but it?s annoying me to the point that I finally want to fix it. Also, because I?m losing expensive synthetic oil :-) > > By the way, I also had another oil leak coming from the oil filter neck gasket (or so I thought). Finally, I traced it to a tiny hair line crack in the neck, right around where you would imagine the highest stresses, just around one of the upper mounting bolts . > > Thanks, Tom _____ > > From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 8:16 AM > > To: 't colitt' > > Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor > > Wonder if the centrifugal advance working in the spark pointer minimizes arcing - theorizing that by mirroring somewhat the Motronic advance curve you'd keep the rotor closer to ideal position and lessen possibility of unintentionally phasing firing event to the next cap position given the higher output coil. > > Are you using the small or large diameter distributor? > > Would imagine the later larger one, but that's still probably half the Motronic cap diameter. > > Some years ago we were playing with an aircraft mechanic friend's 2002, putting in an electronic ignition system out of a late 320i. > > Figured we'd just swap the drive gear - not that easy; centrifugal retard not a good thing (late 320i's spin distributor counter-clockwise) > > Had to use the 320i shaft for electronics, so put that in the '02 body with the '02 gear....voila! > > Cranked it up and found we had built an oil pump. > > Since the spiral in the 320 shaft went in opposite direction, it was pumping oil up and into the distributor. > > Not just seeping mind you, but flowing out the drainage holes. > > Never one to give up, we found a VW distributor that used similar electronics and used a shaft with the correct "downwards" orientation spiral for clockwise rotation. _____ > > From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt > > Sent: Saturday, September 12, 2009 12:12 AM > > To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > > Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor > > Yes Carlos. Good call. I?m using it only as a spark pointer . Interesting and suprising how far you can rotate the distributor out of ?time? without changing the spark timing. > > Tom _____ > > From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:00 PM > > To: 't colitt' > > Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor > > Thought you had a regular distributor since you said centrifugal..unless you gutted it and are simply using it as a spark pointer. _____ > > From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt > > Sent: Friday, September 11, 2009 4:49 AM > > To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > > Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor > > Thanks George > > That sounds reasonable although I can?t say that I?ve noticed any lateral play (also, maybe because the timing on my setup is controlled by a Motronic ECU) > > Tom _____ > > From: Carlos A. Perez [mailto:caperez@runcentral.com] > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 2:15 PM > > To: 't colitt' > > Subject: RE: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor > > There are upper and lower bronze bushings for the center shaft - these can wear and allow the oil past. > > The shaft has a spiral groove where the bushings ride to distribute the oil, and the threading should direct the oil back down. > > Grab the shaft and see if you can feel play side to side. > > I used VW repair kit on mine, but that was many years ago. > > The phenolic washer between body and shaft tends to disappear, leaving only the metal shims - causing up and down play which makes setting timing accurately almost impossible. _____ > > From: bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net [mailto:bmwcsregistry-bounces@idb.ded.forest.net] On Behalf Of t colitt > > Sent: Thursday, September 10, 2009 3:53 PM > > To: bmwcsregistry@idb.ded.forest.net > > Subject: [BMWCSRegistry] oil in distributor > > Hi > > I am finding oil inside the bottom of my distributor. It is enough that it leaks out the screw holes of the body and exits the distributor housing onto the engine. At first I thought it was a leaking o-ring seal on the shaft of the distributor going into the opening in the timing cover, but I replaced that and it is definitely coming from inside the engine and the oil is travelling up into the distributor housing where the centrifugal governor sits . > > Is this normal? > > Thanks, Tom > > ____________________________________________________________ > > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! > > _______________________________________________ > > Please edit the length of replies > > BMWCSRegistry mailing list > > BMWCSRegistry@idb.ded.forest.net > > http://idb.ded.forest.net/mailman/listinfo/bmwcsregistry > ____________________________________________________________ > Best Weight Loss Program - Click Here! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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